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The 7D metering Sucks at snow

 
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Feb 09, 2012 09:32 |  #1

I hope Canon would get a snow mode for the next version of the 7D at the moment the camera underexposes in the magnitude of two stops.

Why cant the cameras have a switch like the movie/still mode but for the weather. It could be Normal/Night/Snow, cars have this with their traction control so why not DSLR's

Currently i use the exposure compensation but that's not always handy and quick i'd say Canon needs to work on the Semi-audomatic features of their DSLR's.
I'd also love bracketing for the semi modes where you set a lowest acceptable shutter speed for instance.


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Feb 09, 2012 09:38 |  #2

They have a snow mode. It's labeled "M" on the mode dial.


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Feb 09, 2012 09:39 |  #3

A "Snow Mode" would just be adding EC anyways.

If you're shooting in the snow, you adjust accordingly... I don't see how this is a problem?

You say that EC isn't handy and quick, now not being familiar with the customization or controls on the 7D but can you not make it so it is?


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Feb 09, 2012 09:41 |  #4

Numenorean wrote in post #13855328 (external link)
They have a snow mode. It's labeled "M" on the mode dial.

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Feb 09, 2012 09:43 |  #5

wow....


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Feb 09, 2012 09:46 |  #6

I'm waiting for Canon to bring out a camera that drives to the site, and takes the photos, while I nap or cook dinner.

You have to run the camera, but they are pretty smart these days if you know how to operate them


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Feb 09, 2012 09:48 as a reply to  @ bespoke's post |  #7

I suppose, it could be linked to an on camera thermometer so that when the temperature gets near freezing the camera assumes that anything bright in the frame is snow and meters it +2 stops automatically.

I'd never use it just like I never use "portrait mode" or any of those other preset modes. But, if it helps you out (I know, setting exposure yourself is such a pain. Why can't the camera just control everything) then maybe Canon should look into it.

Seriously though, you are joking, right?


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Feb 09, 2012 09:51 |  #8

It's not an easy EV fix because the moment it meters on something not snow it get overexposed. I just want something that says to the camera, that white it sees is white.

On the +side when one has time to set manual during an overcast day(which is the norm) with snow that setting works all day


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Feb 09, 2012 09:57 |  #9

Please try putting your camera in "M" mode and just setting the meter at +2 before taking the picture. Alternatively you could be in "Av" or "Tv" and just dial in some EC before actuating the shutter. Once you've done it 2 or 3 times, it is second nature.

The whole point of using a DSLR is control. YOU are supposed to be in charge of the exposure. The meter only tells you at which settings, under the current lighting, the camera would choose to expose for an 18% grey card. It is up to you to learn something about your camera and the photographic exposure. Please stop suggesting that Canon add a "SCENE" mode to the EOS 7D. It does not need them.

I would suggest that these modes get used by very few of the people who own DSLRs that have them. My theory is, if you can afford the hobby, you will invest the time to learn it. At which point the SCENE modes become exactly what they are: a crutch to get P&S owners to take the DSLR leap, nothing more. I have been taking pictures for almost 50 years. My Brownie Hawkeye didn't have scene modes and didn't need them. I was 6 years old and I could aim and shoot. When I moved up to the SLR in 1976 I got a Yashica FX-2. I still use one, and it's descendant, the FX-3 Super 2000. Neither of those have scene modes. You HAD to understand the camera back then. OMG, I remember actually having to do guide number calculations in my head for flash exposures. They weren't always right, but that was on me, not on the equipment.

I bought my first digital SLR about 3 years ago. At first, I was taken aback by the scene modes. I could not figure out what they were for! After figuring out that the whole point of scene modes is to let the camera make decisions for you, I just started ignoring them. As do most DSLR owners. My EOS 60D has some of those useless scene modes. I wish it had 2 or 3 more user-programmable modes instead. I, and I am sure most other DSLR users are too, am in either "M" or "Av" mode 98% of the time. The only time my camera goes into "P" mode is when I let someone else use it.

If you got this far, please accept my apologies for the rant. It is not aimed at you personally. You DO have a very nice camera. I would bet money that you would be much happier with it if you would learn how to use it. If not, I'll trade you even up for my Canon A1100IS. Really. I'll even pay the postage for you. Happy shooting.




  
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Feb 09, 2012 09:58 |  #10

Darkwand wrote in post #13855411 (external link)
It's not an easy EV fix because the moment it meters on something not snow it get overexposed. I just want something that says to the camera, that white it sees is white.

On the +side when one has time to set manual during an overcast day(which is the norm) with snow that setting works all day

Seriously just use manual, get your settings setup for the light you're in and shoot away - ignore what the meter says. If you're shooting in the same light, your exposure is going to be the same shot after shot. Pay attention to how the light is hitting your subject. If it brightens up, speed up your shutter. If it darkens, slow your shutter down. But once you have the "typical" settings set for your current light, you can shoot away and just adjust a little here or there.


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Feb 09, 2012 10:00 |  #11

All that tedious "thinking" gets tiring after a while, I know... ;)

(I say, after coming back from a casual snow shoot, with massively underexposed shots because I forgot to exposure compensate accordingly. At least I was shooting bracketed so I still got my overexposed shots anyway - nice save! :)



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Feb 09, 2012 10:04 |  #12

Snow mode?.. Should we also have Snow sports, Snow Portrait, Snow Landscape etc :) :)

You don't need M... I shoot in Av, Tv and even P mode in the snow all the time.

It's just a matter of dialing in some + exposure compensation.. You can confirm that you have the correct amount by taking a peek at the histogram. Get the 'haystack' as far to the right as possible without going past. Once you've shot in the snow enough, it's second nature.




  
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Feb 09, 2012 10:09 as a reply to  @ Numenorean's post |  #13

Even a P&S needs a little EV to get things correct and some PP too.

You have to understand metering, and what YOU are trying to say in the photo...


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Feb 09, 2012 10:11 |  #14

Expose for the sky, your snow should come out fine.


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Feb 09, 2012 10:17 |  #15

I don't find snow to be a problem; I need a "black cat in a coalmine" mode. ;)


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