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POLL: "Would you switch to Nikon if 5DMK3 is a FUD?"
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Would you switch to Nikon if 5dmk3 is a DUD?

 
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Feb 10, 2012 18:54 |  #166

booja wrote in post #13865005 (external link)
I wonder how many people in here actually used a d700 or d3. And when I say used I don't mean picked up and shot a few frames off.

And yes Nikon button layout is odd. But that's probably because it's something most canon shooters aren't use to. I thought the same thing until used it a lot. Then it made sense. Everything takes time to learn.

I did and I shot Nikon only from 1985 to 2008. It wasn't the bodies that drove me from Nikon, it was their lens lineup and what at the time was insane pricing compared to a lot of their Canon counterparts. Canon is making up for it now and switching systems was such a hassle I won't be doing it again.


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Feb 10, 2012 18:55 |  #167

K6AZ wrote in post #13865033 (external link)
Doesn't matter and it's precisely because different photogs vary not only in their camera technique but their PP technique that I want to see RAW images to evaluate bodies. I don't want to see PP'ed JPGs or any fanboy stuff, just the RAWs please. :D

Lol! He covered his bases and I knew you were going to bring up the RAW thing! :lol:




  
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Feb 10, 2012 18:58 |  #168

Yeah, but as I noted in my last post I made the big brand switch one time and it will be the last time so it doesn't really matter. I want RAW images from the 1D X (and the 5D whatever and 7D whatever when they come out).


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Feb 10, 2012 19:00 |  #169

K6AZ wrote in post #13865096 (external link)
Yeah, but as I noted in my last post I made the big brand switch one time and it will be the last time so it doesn't really matter. I want RAW images from the 1D X (and the 5D whatever and 7D whatever when they come out).

It's taking Canon forever since Nikon threw those two curve balls. ;)




  
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Feb 10, 2012 19:10 |  #170

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It's taking Canon forever since Nikon threw those two curve balls. ;)

I sure hope Canon doesn't dump a 30+MP sensor in the 5D or at the very least give people a choice. I don't need more MP, I want better DR, noise performance, and AF performance.


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Feb 10, 2012 19:44 |  #171

K6AZ wrote in post #13865163 (external link)
I sure hope Canon doesn't dump a 30+MP sensor in the 5D or at the very least give people a choice. I don't need more MP, I want better DR, noise performance, and AF performance.

DR isn't affected much, if any, by pixel pitch. The D7000 has a 14 EV dynamic range and has smaller pixels than any other DSLR Nikon offers.

Noise performance is a function of the sensor technology and the sensor size, unless you always measure noise strictly at the pixel level. Downsizing an image reduces its noise signature. You can always downsize a higher resolution image and get lower noise at the expense of less detail. You can never regain detail that was never recorded to begin with. Canon gives you mRAW, so you can accomplish all that just by changing a setting (this is a huge advantage over Nikon).

I'm right there with you on the AF performance. It's the biggest reason I've stayed away from the 5D series. If Canon doesn't address it properly this time around (meaning: they can't just shove the 7D autofocus system in the camera. That just gets you an even better center point. The 5D series' problem is just as much the spread of the autofocus points as it is their capabilities), then as far as I'm concerned they never will.


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Feb 10, 2012 20:05 |  #172

kcbrown wrote in post #13865300 (external link)
DR isn't affected much, if any, by pixel pitch. The D7000 has a 14 EV dynamic range and has smaller pixels than any other DSLR Nikon offers.

Noise performance is a function of the sensor technology and the sensor size, unless you always measure noise strictly at the pixel level. Downsizing an image reduces its noise signature. You can always downsize a higher resolution image and get lower noise at the expense of less detail. You can never regain detail that was never recorded to begin with. Canon gives you mRAW, so you can accomplish all that just by changing a setting (this is a huge advantage over Nikon).

I'm right there with you on the AF performance. It's the biggest reason I've stayed away from the 5D series. If Canon doesn't address it properly this time around (meaning: they can't just shove the 7D autofocus system in the camera. That just gets you an even better center point. The 5D series' problem is just as much the spread of the autofocus points as it is their capabilities), then as far as I'm concerned they never will.

I didn't say those three aspects were all related but rather the things I would like to see improved. It seems some are only interested in MP count and 16-21 is more than enough for me. If they don't have to redesign a sensor for more MP they can turn their R&D efforts to other areas.


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Feb 10, 2012 20:18 |  #173

I will switch if Canon doesn't offer a 5D MK III/X without an AA filter. The D800E would be amazing in the studio.


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Feb 10, 2012 20:36 |  #174

Nope :)




  
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Feb 10, 2012 20:56 |  #175

I'm tempted to switch for the d800, 14-24 and better flashes (from what I read).


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Feb 10, 2012 20:58 |  #176

No. I will be buying a 5D2 soon and I couldn't be more excited!


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Feb 10, 2012 21:01 |  #177

K6AZ wrote in post #13865390 (external link)
I didn't say those three aspects were all related but rather the things I would like to see improved. It seems some are only interested in MP count and 16-21 is more than enough for me. If they don't have to redesign a sensor for more MP they can turn their R&D efforts to other areas.

Fair enough. The only reason I mentioned it is that most people automatically associate higher pixel counts with worse high ISO performance, and that's only true if you measure the performance by blowing up the shot to 100%. Such things need to be measured "apples to apples", which means with both shots sized the same, and that only gets meaningful if you downsize the larger image.


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Feb 10, 2012 22:11 |  #178

The D7000 has been regarded as one of the best on the market today with some of the best dynamic range. It's got 16mp on an APS-C sized sensor. Why is everyone hating on the D800 like it will be a dud? It's got an equivalent of 15 mp on APS-C, less than the D7000.

I think if that's any indication, Canon should watch out.




  
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Feb 10, 2012 22:16 |  #179

poza wrote in post #13865641 (external link)
I'm tempted to switch for the d800, 14-24 and better flashes (from what I read).

14-24 is in one word: AMAZING, but I wouldn't say their flashes are better.




  
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Feb 10, 2012 22:18 |  #180

Its a 60% no 40% yes. I was laready going to get a d700 but got the 7d instead. So its a more no cos of my current budget i have to stick with


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