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24-70L II...at what price would you buy??

 
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Feb 11, 2012 11:46 as a reply to  @ post 13868175 |  #61

I don't think this upgrade worth the price .



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Feb 11, 2012 11:48 |  #62

chokeslamcena wrote in post #13864103 (external link)
Am I alone in thinking that Canon (and other camera companies) are looking to create an artificual floor for pricing?


Digital has made professional photography available to everyone. Wedding photography is, unfortunately, about the only area where a pro can actually make a decent living. Other stuff is living week to week for the most part.

I think Canon may have intentionally priced this high to put it out of the reach of amateurs/enthusiasts. I'm sure the 24-70 Mark 3 with IS (when it eventually appears) will go above the $3,000 mark. As will all of the new generations, as Camera companies try to restructure their products.

At the moment, the best camera equipment is still affordable to a lot of people. For under €5,000 you can set up as a professional photographer (€5000 would get you, in Ireland, a 7D, 17-40, 24-70, 70-200 2.8 IS and a 580 EX II).

I think this is making people (whose main income is photoraphy) struggle a bit more than they'd like to, as Joe Soap constantly undercuts and takes his work.

I'm certain that sooner or later (within 5 years) there'll be a revolutionary addition to either camera bodies or lenses (like IS) that will only be available on higher end gear, to help them justify pushing up the price.

Whatever this new addition will be, a souped up IS, a new type of no-glare glass, a camera feature, etc. it'll be something desirable that'll make a difference and will be priced out of the enthusiast market.

That's my take on it anyway.


You make very valid points.


A photographer friend of mine recently said " look at the bright side when it comes to the price of the lens. Hopefully the price will keep away the amateurs that buy the 24-70 and automatically become professional wedding photographers. Hopefully the price will weed them out so that the real professionals can do their jobs". Lol. Thought that was funny and in a way hopefully true.

The biggest complaints I read on the forums about the current 24-70 is not only how soft the lens is, but how HEAVY the damn thing is. As a lot of other people have mentioned, if they would of added IS, the lens would be a lot heavier and then there would be just as many threads **** about how canon screwed up and didn't make the lens lighter. So, to me it seems no matter what the outcome was, Canon won't ever make everyone happy.


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Feb 11, 2012 12:12 |  #63

I can't find any sample pics of this lens online. Anyone knows a link?


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Feb 11, 2012 13:11 |  #64

RX350 wrote in post #13868432 (external link)
I don't think this upgrade worth the price .

i don't think you can put a price on hobbies. some ppl collect planes, yachts and islands.


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Feb 11, 2012 13:28 |  #65

Buylongterm wrote in post #13868440 (external link)
You make very valid points.
The biggest complaints I read on the forums about the current 24-70 is not only how soft the lens is, but how HEAVY the damn thing is. As a lot of other people have mentioned, if they would of added IS, the lens would be a lot heavier and then there would be just as many threads **** about how canon screwed up and didn't make the lens lighter. So, to me it seems no matter what the outcome was, Canon won't ever make everyone happy.

True, it's hard to make everyone happy. Canon is getting slammed for two reasons:

1. The price.
2. No IS.

Had they put IS in the thing and charged, $1800, there'd be few complaints. Yes, some would still complain, but you can't please everyone.

You can minimize complaints and foster goodwill and future purchases when you meet your customer base halfway with reasonable pricing and a resonable feature set. As it stands, the 24-70 II offers neither.


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Feb 11, 2012 13:32 |  #66

Mike55 wrote in post #13868917 (external link)
True, it's hard to make everyone happy. Canon is getting slammed for two reasons:

1. The price.
2. No IS.

Had they put IS in the thing and charged, $1800, there'd be few complaints. Yes, some would still complain, but you can't please everyone.

You can minimize complaints and foster goodwill and future purchases when you meet your customer base halfway with reasonable pricing and a resonable feature set. As it stands, the 24-70 II offers neither.

Filter size is another detractor.




  
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Feb 11, 2012 20:56 as a reply to  @ Andrew_WOT's post |  #67

I already sold my original, and have pre ordered at what ever the price is when it shows up. Since the day I bought it, the 24-70 has taken over 80% of my shots. Since the day I got my 70-200 I have been unhappy with the iq of the 24-70. To me $2k give or take is worth the iq increase and improved weather sealing, given how much I shoot with it.


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Feb 11, 2012 21:33 |  #68

Does anyone think there is a chance that Canon might come out with an IS version in the future?

The reason I'm asking is because the 70-200 has both an IS and non-IS version, so why not the 24-70?


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Feb 11, 2012 22:44 |  #69

Rigby470 wrote in post #13871261 (external link)
Does anyone think there is a chance that Canon might come out with an IS version in the future?

The reason I'm asking is because the 70-200 has both an IS and non-IS version, so why not the 24-70?

Right here. According to Canonrumors there were five prototypes of this lens, two with IS. Just get the better of the two IS prototypes and sell it alongside the non-IS lens just like the 70-200s.

If they really wanna get their freak on, paint it white!:lol:


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Feb 12, 2012 00:36 |  #70

Considering the popularity of MK I, I am afraid Canon will be able to sell the new one at MSRP for at least a full year after the release with some shortage of supply.
All bad things aside judging by MTF chart alone it looks like an optical marvel.




  
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Feb 12, 2012 04:43 |  #71

I've had a great 24-70 2.8 with IS for a year. Oh wait, it's a 17-55 2.8 IS . Sorry bout that, I'll just keep shooting and loving it....


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Feb 14, 2012 07:57 |  #72

Milner wrote in post #13871120 (external link)
I already sold my original, and have pre ordered at what ever the price is when it shows up. Since the day I bought it, the 24-70 has taken over 80% of my shots. Since the day I got my 70-200 I have been unhappy with the iq of the 24-70. To me $2k give or take is worth the iq increase and improved weather sealing, given how much I shoot with it.

This is a good point...if you take A LOT of pictures and use your camera on a regular basis, and 80% of your shots are with your 24-70, maybe the price increase isn't that big of a deal. If the 24-70 is one of 5-6 lenses which you use all the time, then it probably makes less sense unless you're a pro or just like spending money.




  
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Feb 14, 2012 11:48 |  #73

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So if you were getting married, and you hired someone who's picture's you had loved, you would feel comfortable if they showed up at your wedding with an XTi and 18-55? It wouldn't give you a second of doubt?

So if you were hosting a sit-down dinner at your house for a group of friends, and you hired a chef with 3 Michelin stars, would you feel comfortable if they showed up in your kitchen with the pots and pans they bought from Walmart?

My point is that it is the image that matters, not the tools used to take/make it. The right tools make the job easier or faster, but not necessarily better. That's where skill and experience come in. A pro with an XTi and 18-55 will take better shots than an amateur with a 1DX and a 24-70 MkII.

For me, I'm not getting the new 24-70. I have the MkI which I paid less than $1000 new from B&H back in 2007. It's the lens I use about 85% of the time, and it is tack sharp. When compared to my current MkI lens, the advantages of slightly lighter weight and increase IQ in the new model do not offset the disadvantages of no IS, increased filter size, and $2300 price tag.


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Feb 14, 2012 12:10 |  #74

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So if you were hosting a sit-down dinner at your house for a group of friends, and you hired a chef with 3 Michelin stars, would you feel comfortable if they showed up in your kitchen with the pots and pans they bought from Walmart?

My point is that it is the image that matters, not the tools used to take/make it. The right tools make the job easier or faster, but not necessarily better. That's where skill and experience come in. A pro with an XTi and 18-55 will take better shots than an amateur with a 1DX and a 24-70 MkII.

For me, I'm not getting the new 24-70. I have the MkI which I paid less than $1000 new from B&H back in 2007. It's the lens I use about 85% of the time, and it is tack sharp. When compared to my current MkI lens, the advantages of slightly lighter weight and increase IQ in the new model do not offset the disadvantages of no IS, increased filter size, and $2300 price tag.

Not the pots and pans, but if he showed up with cheap ingredients then I would be concerned. Not to say he couldn't make something nice with it, but I would have concerns. My point is, when you pay someone, you want them using something great. It's possible for a pro to get good shots with cheap equipment, but it's also more likely they'll get great shots if they're using great equipment. When you pay for something, you are paying for the best possible chance of it turning out great. Anything less leaves a lot to chance.


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Feb 14, 2012 12:28 |  #75

And I noticed places in Canada posting it at $2499.99 + Tax for pre order.

Sorry, unless I wind the lottery, I won't be buying it at that price either.

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