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Feb 13, 2012 16:51 |  #3271

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Autofocus seems to be Canon's biggest complaint. In 2008 superior AF seemed to be on the Nikon side but Canon has had four years to make improvements and the 7D from yesteryear and the 1DX both appear to have great AF systems, doesn't seem that they will disappoint in the AF arena this go round.

The 7D's AF system has its flaws, The points are a bit too big and have a nasty habit of picking things at the very edge of the point to focus on as opposed to what you really want in focus....

A bunch of people have had issues with their 7D's AF system just not working well for them... And its not just "user error" like some people want to say

IMHO its a decent system, But has its flaws, a bit overly complicated and hard for most users to understand, Requires a lot of playing with C.Fn to get really good performance out of it, Maybe I could say it has an extreme personality, When its good its good and rock solid, but when its bad, my god is it bad...


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Feb 13, 2012 16:51 |  #3272

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Feb 13, 2012 17:02 |  #3273

KenjiS wrote in post #13891631 (external link)
The 7D's AF system has its flaws, The points are a bit too big and have a nasty habit of picking things at the very edge of the point to focus on as opposed to what you really want in focus....

A bunch of people have had issues with their 7D's AF system just not working well for them... And its not just "user error" like some people want to say

IMHO its a decent system, But has its flaws, a bit overly complicated and hard for most users to understand, Requires a lot of playing with C.Fn to get really good performance out of it, Maybe I could say it has an extreme personality, When its good its good and rock solid, but when its bad, my god is it bad...

I don't understand when people post things like this about the 7D. I've owned two of them and combined have probably done well over 30k shots mostly wildlife. I never have an AF problem unless I screw up and focus on a twig instead of a bird. Two different bodies and they both behave the exact same way.


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Feb 13, 2012 17:18 |  #3274

KenjiS wrote in post #13891631 (external link)
The 7D's AF system has its flaws, The points are a bit too big and have a nasty habit of picking things at the very edge of the point to focus on as opposed to what you really want in focus....

If it's anything like any of the other non 1-series AF systems in Canon's lineup, the actual AF sensors go beyond the boxes shown in the viewfinder, which is why it picks up the wrong target sometimes. At least you can alleviate that by going with spot focus.

Hopefully the 1DX will have both speed and accuracy in spades. It's embarrassing for 1-series AF to still be beaten in AF acquisition speed in low light by the 5DII's center point (Is that still the case with the 1DIV? That was my experience with the 1DII and what I had read about the 1DIII).




  
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Feb 13, 2012 17:30 |  #3275

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I don't understand when people post things like this about the 7D. I've owned two of them and combined have probably done well over 30k shots mostly wildlife. I never have an AF problem unless I screw up and focus on a twig instead of a bird. Two different bodies and they both behave the exact same way.

I found the 7D's "out of the box" AF settings pretty rubbish and needed a fair amount of tuning using the manual and a bit of on line help. It's complex and assumes you really know the AF system and it's not particularly intuative. Some of the menus are fussy and it took me a few weeks to work out how I was going to use the various modes and tune them. But soon as I understood the system and how / when to use the various modes I pretty quickly came to respect hte camera's AF abilities....i mean how cool is that....a Canon camera that nails AI servo!


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Feb 13, 2012 17:30 |  #3276

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If it's anything like any of the other non 1-series AF systems in Canon's lineup, the actual AF sensors go beyond the boxes shown in the viewfinder, which is why it picks up the wrong target sometimes. At least you can alleviate that by going with spot focus.

Hopefully the 1DX will have both speed and accuracy in spades. It's embarrassing for 1-series AF to still be beaten in AF acquisition speed in low light by the 5DII's center point (Is that still the case with the 1DIV? That was my experience with the 1DII and what I had read about the 1DIII).

I've seen numerous complaints about both the 5D2 and 1D4 having trouble in low light. I've never had trouble with either, I don't shoot in caves, nightclubs, or back alleys. If the 1D X AF system is an improvement over the 1D4 it will be fantastic.


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Feb 13, 2012 17:32 |  #3277

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I've seen numerous complaints about both the 5D2 and 1D4 having trouble in low light. I've never had trouble with either, I don't shoot in caves, nightclubs, or back alleys. If the 1D X AF system is an improvement over the 1D4 it will be fantastic.

I agree with you there. I regularly shoot my 5DII's in very low light (i'm an available light UK weding photographer). But I have noticed that certain lenses have more trouble in low light than others. My 24-70L nails reception dance shots no issue, but my 35 f1.4 L often struggles and yet it has a clear brightness advantage....but it's AF system is a lot worse for some reason. If Canon bring out a 35mm f1.4 II L, i'll be first in the queue!


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Feb 13, 2012 17:33 |  #3278

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I found the 7D's "out of the box" AF settings pretty rubbish and needed a fair amount of tuning using the manual and a bit of on line help. It's complex and assumes you really know the AF system and it's not particularly intuative. Some of the menus are fussy and it took me a few weeks to work out how I was going to use the various modes and tune them. But soon as I understood the system and how / when to use the various modes I pretty quickly came to respect hte camera's AF abilities....i mean how cool is that....a Canon camera that nails AI servo!

Exactly, it's actually a very complicated system and most of the custom function settings will affect others so it does take a lot of reading and tweaking to get it right for your style of shooting. The body I have now was a refurb and looked like new, the image count was at 240 something and it was probably returned for a defective AF system.


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Feb 13, 2012 17:37 |  #3279

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I agree with you there. I regularly shoot my 5DII's in very low light (i'm an available light UK weding photographer). But I have noticed that certain lenses have more trouble in low light than others. My 24-70L nails reception dance shots no issue, but my 35 f1.4 L often struggles and yet it has a clear brightness advantage....but it's AF system is a lot worse for some reason. If Canon bring out a 35mm f1.4 II L, i'll be first in the queue!

Indoors using ambient light and the 5D2 I usually am using the 24-70 or the 50L and don't have any trouble with either. I've never noticed a problem with the 35L but I used that on the 7D until I picked up a 17-55.


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Feb 13, 2012 18:24 as a reply to  @ K6AZ's post |  #3280

if you are judging the companies by their latest offerings you'll always be discontent....or at least you will be half the time. go see if the grass is greener. meanwhile where's my 1dx :D?

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Feb 13, 2012 19:50 |  #3281

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if you are judging the companies by their latest offerings you'll always be discontent....or at least you will be half the time. go see if the grass is greener. meanwhile where's my 1dx :D?

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You going to get one right away Ed or are you going to be like me and let everyone else be the guinea pigs? :lol:


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Feb 13, 2012 21:33 |  #3282

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You going to get one right away Ed or are you going to be like me and let everyone else be the guinea pigs? :lol:

well. i think i'm gonna jump right in :D.

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Feb 13, 2012 21:46 |  #3283

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well. i think i'm gonna jump right in :D.

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Nice! Did you preorder? :)




  
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Feb 14, 2012 01:21 |  #3284

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Nice! Did you preorder? :)

:lol: deja-vu anyone :p


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Feb 14, 2012 07:50 |  #3285

KenjiS wrote in post #13891631 (external link)
A bunch of people have had issues with their 7D's AF system just not working well for them... And its not just "user error" like some people want to say

Yup. I got tired of the BS crap that people said about it being User error and because the AF system was new and complex. BS, the 7D AF had lots of AF flaws especially in earlier units.


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