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Feb 16, 2012 18:35 |  #31

futurebrewer wrote in post #13906920 (external link)
Oh yes. I would never take a photo of an accident scene! That is a pretty low.

For fun? Probably not. But for some people like journalists or freelancers, unfortunately - it is their job.


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Feb 16, 2012 18:46 |  #32

Is there anything you can think of that has not been photographed?


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Feb 16, 2012 18:59 |  #33

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Is there anything you can think of that has not been photographed?

no, but I wouldnt use that as an example. Nude kids is never right.


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Feb 16, 2012 19:08 |  #34

I get your point but do you think I should go throught my parents old B&W family photos and burn those ones?


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Feb 16, 2012 19:16 |  #35

You folks are obviously not photojournalists. Without PJ's we would not have images of the atrocities the **** rained on others. Without news photographers you would be in the dark as to what happens in your community, state and country. Is it all ethical, not by a long shot, is it perfect far from it. People are human after all.

But in your rush to "protect" someone from being photographed at an accident scene, you give up your rights to know what is happening in your area, and you depend on the government to release whatever information you receive.

There is a very good reason that our founding fathers wanted the press to be free, They knew even then that it was full of carbunkles, but without that you are limited to whatever the local, state or feds want you to know. The press is the oversight you don;t have in other countries.

All of you to a person watches the evenning news, what happens in other countries, and right next door. The press protects you from many things. So before you decide what you will and won;t shoot understand that a true PJ tales no pleasure in shooting an accident scene with dead bodies in them, but telling the story is more important than that...


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Feb 16, 2012 19:31 |  #36

jimmy637 wrote in post #13911170 (external link)
I get your point but do you think I should go throught my parents old B&W family photos and burn those ones?

I'm not certain. But i never understood why people take pics of their kids in the bath and stuff like that.
But if you recall an earlier post of mine, I cant stand children so I may have a different view from most on this


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Feb 16, 2012 19:38 |  #37

team haymaker wrote in post #13911128 (external link)
Nude kids is never right.

All my children and grandchildren have been photographed nude as babies.

team haymaker wrote in post #13911250 (external link)
i never understood why people take pics of their kids in the bath and stuff like that.

Are you a parent?


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Feb 16, 2012 20:36 |  #38
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haha spoken like a true gentleman.

I reply as is warranted...

I was simply stating that it was a wild assumption because originally you didnt include the details surrounding the killed in action with a medal of honour. you simply wrote about how he may must have been heroic. no back ground. Makes more sense now.

Do you know what hyperlinks are?

I included one in my post which went to the Wikipedia page about Poynter.

I also stated that he was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Korean War. You, then, opined that it was possible that he died before he even made it to the war.

A truly brilliant comment...

and yes I trespass regularly to get my photos.

Oh, so you're one of those people who give photographers a bad name.

Got it...


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Feb 16, 2012 20:36 |  #39

My wife reminded me that in the past, most family photos were just that.
In the digital age almost everything is virtual.
I like what Les was stating with respect to PJs. Knowledge is powerful.


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Feb 16, 2012 20:47 |  #40

My morals are pretty low when it comes to photography. Ill shoot just about anything, I dont care.

Well except for kiddie porn and that kind of stuff. But in general.... bring it on.


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Feb 16, 2012 21:05 as a reply to  @ Mark1's post |  #41

What we choose to photograph or what not to photograph and how we approach all of it is personal and says a lot about who we are. Minor White said all photographs are self portraits and Roy DeCarava said something real similar; you should be able to look at me and see my work. You should be able to look at my work and see me.




  
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Feb 16, 2012 21:31 |  #42

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I was at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetary in San Diego one Memorial Day.

As I was walking through the cemetary, I came across an elderly gentleman sitting in a chair next to a grave. His back was to me. San Diego Bay was in the background. The lighting was perfect...
...I just felt odd about taking the shot.

I went along my way...

I was glad, and still am, that I didn't take that shot...

To me, it was a moment that should belong to the old man, and no one else...

That was an opportunity missed. As a photographer, those are moments I live for and plenty of the most important and poignant photos have been taken in those circumstances.
By seeing it as well, it doesn't just belong to the old man, you've shared it.
It sounds as if it would have been easy to discreetly take a shot without disturbing the moment.
With his back to you he probably wouldn't have even known you were there.

As for things like accidents and emergency pics...each person is different but for me I have no problems with them.
I've come across more than my fair share of horrible ones, but as a freelance photographer, I know that's the sort of thing that newspapers pay for. It's rarely pleasant but cest la vie. It comes with the territory.
Get the shots. Get them to the paper. Get paid. Eat...
There's nothing morally wrong with it and if you follow protocol and the instructions of the emergency services and stay out of their way, you won't have any issues with them.
Maybe that sounds mercenary, but that's the way it is.
For me, it's a case of putting personal feelings about that sort of thing aside to get the "job" done.

Just imagine how many missed shots there would have been on 9/11 if all the press and freelance photogs said "No, I'm not taking a photo of that - it's their moment."
We wouldn't have had the shot of the firies raising the Star Spangled Banner on the pile of rubble at Ground Zero comes if everybody thoght the same way.
Probably the most moving pic from that disaster.


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Feb 16, 2012 21:52 |  #43

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You folks are obviously not photojournalists. Without PJ's we would not have images of the atrocities the **** rained on others. Without news photographers you would be in the dark as to what happens in your community, state and country. Is it all ethical, not by a long shot, is it perfect far from it. People are human after all.

But in your rush to "protect" someone from being photographed at an accident scene, you give up your rights to know what is happening in your area, and you depend on the government to release whatever information you receive.

There is a very good reason that our founding fathers wanted the press to be free, They knew even then that it was full of carbunkles, but without that you are limited to whatever the local, state or feds want you to know. The press is the oversight you don;t have in other countries.

All of you to a person watches the evenning news, what happens in other countries, and right next door. The press protects you from many things. So before you decide what you will and won;t shoot understand that a true PJ tales no pleasure in shooting an accident scene with dead bodies in them, but telling the story is more important than that...

bw!
I never get pleasure from shooting accident scenes, but it pays.
I've had someone take their last breath whilst cradling their head in my arms after being asked by the ambos to help and have been physically ill on more than one occasion after helping remove critically ill people and bodies from car and truck wrecks.
Stuff like that never leaves you, but it comes with the terrritory.


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Feb 16, 2012 22:01 |  #44

There has been some comment here about shooting houses from the street. I do it every day - literally. I am a real estate appraiser and I shoot photos of "comps" (similar properties) to go in my reports - dozens/week. I make every effort not to get people in them, even to the point of riding around the block a time or two to hope they go back inside. But I have and will shoot a photo with them in clear view on the front porch looking at me. (I caveat this by saying absolutely NO KIDS).

If I am feeling (nice and/or safe) I will stop and ask. Most say yes. Some say no. I usually tell them that I will be back later to shoot it when they are not around - then ride around the block again at that point and then shoot it anyway.....sometimes with them running after me in the street. Its a public street and I have the right to shoot it.

I have even shot pictures of a cops house (unbeknownst to me when I did it). He was inside at the time and saw me do it. He actually got in his own car, chased me down (out of uniform and off duty - not in his cruiser) - nice guy that I am I stopped cause I knew he was going to have questions. He flashed his badge and made a few demands for my camera and wanted to know why I was taking pics of a cops home. I explained what I was doing and why - and he was an ******* (like many of them are) and again demanded my camera so he could erase the image. I bucked up and told him no way - he threatened to arrest me and I told him fine - lets go downtown and get it all sorted out!!! Then asked to see his badge again so I could be sure I had the number correct. He backed off and just stared at me like he wanted to literally shoot me. I said "man....im just trying to do my job - its nothing personal"...and drove away.

Houses from the street are fair game - thousands of real estate appraisers do it every day.

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Feb 16, 2012 22:02 |  #45

Military planes - I shoot them all the time - just happen to live near a military airport and if they land then they have to pass over my house very low.

Accidents and/or dead people. I spent many years doing it first as a freelance photographer, then as a police photographer. Never fun and not always easy, but it was part of my job.

Usually common sense will tell you what not to shoot. And if you don't have common sense you should not be shooting.


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