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Are Amateurs destroying Photography

 
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Feb 16, 2012 08:40 |  #586
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djentley wrote in post #13907257 (external link)
However, there is a certain quality one expects from a person who does it for a living. If you can't deliver that, get off the boat.

But if someone doesn't deliever that "certain quality", but is able to get gigs and sell their work despite that, who's to say they should get off the boat?

That "certain quality", really, is undefinable. It's a variable which, ultimately, is up to the person writing the check, and no one else...


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Feb 16, 2012 21:35 |  #587

BreitlingFan wrote in post #13907728 (external link)
But if someone doesn't deliever that "certain quality", but is able to get gigs and sell their work despite that, who's to say they should get off the boat?

That "certain quality", really, is undefinable. It's a variable which, ultimately, is up to the person writing the check, and no one else...

And it is the customer's concern if the work is not up to standard for what they paid. There is no board that accredits photographers like doctors or lawyers, so it is on the customer to research the experience of their chosen photog.


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Feb 16, 2012 22:04 |  #588

Also, there are some who are willing to accept less to pay less. They know a $300 wedding photographer won't do $2000 work, but either they cannot afford or choose not to afford the $2000 photographer. I know our entire wedding budget started out at $1200 (ended up bumped to $1800 because DH just had to buy new matching suits for himself and his best man (oldest son) instead of renting). With a budget like that it's hard to squeeze in any wedding photographer, and there's no way you're spending a grand or two on one.

So sometimes there are those whose "certain quality" is "as cheap as I can get one" and though it isn't worth it for the headaches, if there are ones either breaking in or overly kind or whatever, well, there's a place in the market for them, too.


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Feb 16, 2012 22:13 |  #589

djentley wrote in post #13907257 (external link)
However, there is a certain quality one expects from a person who does it for a living. If you can't deliver that, get off the boat.

How do you quantify art? What you might see as an amazing photograph, I might see it as a snapshot and vice versa.

I've seen some couples photos who paid through the nose for a 'top notch' wedding photographer. Looking at their pictures I just had to say nice things, but my mind was saying over processed crap.

I've seen other couples photos from a budget beginner and they were imo first class photos of the couples wedding.


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Feb 16, 2012 22:36 |  #590

@fotoworx - my one wish about my photography is that it gets good enough that it can say without words what I would say with them. Then I will know I've done something right.


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Feb 16, 2012 22:39 |  #591

wuzzittoya wrote in post #13912212 (external link)
@fotoworx - my one wish about my photography is that it gets good enough that it can say without words what I would say with them. Then I will know I've done something right.

Very nicely said.


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Feb 16, 2012 23:18 |  #592

wuzzittoya wrote in post #13912212 (external link)
@fotoworx - my one wish about my photography is that it gets good enough that it can say without words what I would say with them. Then I will know I've done something right.

I concur.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. It shouldn't be a thousand obscene words, however.




  
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Feb 17, 2012 09:31 |  #593

Is a bad photo only worth 500 words then?

A really poor one 250?


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Feb 17, 2012 10:21 |  #594

Bosscat wrote in post #13914259 (external link)
Is a bad photo only worth 500 words then?

A really poor one 250?

Yup! And I've seen lots of 10-word pictures.




  
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Feb 17, 2012 10:54 |  #595

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Yup! And I've seen lots of 10-word pictures.

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Feb 17, 2012 14:20 |  #596

Collect and pay sales tax.
Pay income tax.
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Without these, you are not a pro.

I think 'amateurs' provide opportunity to demonstrate superior work.

If I loose one of my clients to an amateur, it is my fault and no one else's. My job is to retain my customer base.


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Feb 17, 2012 15:00 |  #597

So, has the OP's question been answered?

Yes, in many ways.

One distillation of those answers might be that "No, amateurs aren't destroying photography, careless and ignorant photographers are. And many of them are professionals."


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Feb 17, 2012 16:22 |  #598

20droger wrote in post #13914551 (external link)
Yup! And I've seen lots of 10-word pictures.

I've seen a lot of grunts.


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Feb 18, 2012 20:03 |  #599

What seperates amateurs from professionals is knowledge of light. Sadly the average person paying for a photographer cant tell the difference.
I recently had a look at the portfolio of a ''professional'' prewedding studio in my hometown and saw blown out skies and shadowed subjects on the outdoor shots and deer in the headlights direct flash used for the indoor shots. The studio pictures had all the same lighting, softbox camera left and softbox camera right set at the same power level resulting in very flat lighting. They did their own printing on an uncalibrated printer using refilled chinese ink. I once before made a print at this shop to find they edit the crap out of my image in order to get the colours to print correctly instead of calibrating their printer or by using better ink.
Sadly in my country this happens at a good 85% of studios and print shops. I could not call myself professional without buying my own large format printer and the mindset mentality of the average person needing a photographer out there (in my country) is cheaper cheaper cheaper, but at the same time they want quality. So yes i feel that amateurs are destroying photography. I one day hope i will have enough money to invest in my own studio / printshop for the sake of introducing quality into the market here.


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Feb 18, 2012 20:39 |  #600

True amateurs do not charge they just take pictures. Unscrupulous "pros" are hurting the industry, kinda,...those people do not offer any real competition to real creative professionals.


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