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Feb 23, 2012 00:32 as a reply to  @ post 13948714 |  #6256

RE the last two replies, I'm beginning to find out that some images I thought least likely to be used, may become favorite images if something is changed or cropped.

These examples below are not seniors.

But I'm posting them because the shots of these two people were submitted to a retoucher with high school senior photography in mind.

I wanted to see what could be done with two images I shelved, to see what kind of salvaging was available, and what extra I could make available as a memorabelia component. I think I want to compile a photo package that offers at least one manipulated image per photo shoot.

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Feb 23, 2012 04:30 |  #6257

sevillafox wrote in post #11436023 (external link)
Process raw in LR. Tweak WB and set clarity at +20.
Export to PSD.

In PS....
Dupe layer. Remove blemishes using patch tool.
Dupe layer again. Use patch tool to remove undereye circles. This will look way too smooth so I always adjust the opacity of the layer to taste. Sometimes I do a low opacity cloning to remove and y darkness.
Flatten.

Here I run a few actions.
1. MCP High Definition sharpening. Then I mask off skin and the background. Usually only clothes, hair, teeth, lips (if they aren't dry looking), and eyes are sharpened.
2. Run MCP eye doctor. This is a paid action but worth every penny. I usually only use the eye sharpening layer. Sometimes I will use the eye lightening layer but mostly just on brown eyed folks.
3. flatten.
4. run portraiture on a dupe layer and have it export a transparency mask. I will then add a layer mask and mask off everything but skin, and sometimes lips to soften them a bit.
5. Then I do the color pop. I usually just do it on background stuff and clothes.

That's it.

Thanks, Tiffany, for sharing this with us. Can you elaborate the last step, please? Thanks again :-)


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Feb 23, 2012 06:42 |  #6258

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That's it.

:), that's it....:)


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Feb 23, 2012 07:47 |  #6259

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Thanks, Tiffany, for sharing this with us. Can you elaborate the last step, please? Thanks again :-)

Shamefully, I will admit to using actions to do this. Again with phaunt actions or MCP. But, there are tons of free color pop actions out there. It's basically just saturating the colors more.

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:), that's it....:)

:p It looks a lot written out but is really simple. So, shutty! ;)


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Feb 23, 2012 07:57 |  #6260

mdvaden wrote in post #13948768 (external link)
I wanted to see what could be done with two images I shelved, to see what kind of salvaging was available, and what extra I could make available as a memorabelia component. I think I want to compile a photo package that offers at least one manipulated image per photo shoot.

These have gone entirely in the direction of fake and cheesy. I know photo manipulations are by definition fake, but they don't have to scream it in your face. I'm being brutally honest because I don't want you to waste your money farming images out and getting that back.

Shoot as if salvaging is never an option. And if you know beforehand that you want to create a composite image of some kind, do it intentionally and not as a cover-up.

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Feb 23, 2012 10:12 |  #6261

i agree with the cheese factor, but im all for trying new things. Just shoot them in camera =)


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Feb 23, 2012 10:28 |  #6262

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These have gone entirely in the direction of fake and cheesy. I know photo manipulations are by definition fake, but they don't have to scream it in your face. I'm being brutally honest because I don't want you to waste your money farming images out and getting that back.

Shoot as if salvaging is never an option. And if you know beforehand that you want to create a composite image of some kind, do it intentionally and not as a cover-up.

joe

The goal with those was not to salvage senior shoots (future) with manipulations. The goal of sending those other shots, was to see what the heck a retoucher or graphics person could do with what I felt were my worst shots. Which seemed admirable, because the man in the one, was blown away by the results. He was a practice run, and had already seen the before on a disc. Because if they can do a lot with my worst, then it tells me where they can go with the best. That's why I did not send two of my better shots.

For future senior shoots, the idea would not be salvaging. It would be including a few GOOD shots, where one is selected for a special effects thing.

I've recently found out that the young folks - the recipients - love stuff out of the ordinary. Like the high school boy next door who asked me to make his eyes orange in one image, one of the OSU colors. Same shot where we put a big poofy wig on his head.

I do like the idea of shooting as if salvaging is not an option. Wish I could even shoot as if discarding bad shots was not so easy and free.

In fact, it's that kind of thing that can not only get the subject to do backflips over it, but they can spread it virally among friends, which is a huge advertising advantage.

So much so, that I could almost foot the bill, so to speak, on the manipulation.

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On the note of cheesy though, I have determined that one thing virtually always looks cheesy. That is studio shots with backgrounds. I'm just learning that. But to me, if it's not a real setting like outdoors, or in a real room with real machinery, etc., the shots are in a way cheesy. But I've accepted that it can be a very nice form of cheesy. Because there are lots of studio shots that I like.

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Feb 23, 2012 10:37 |  #6263

mdvaden wrote in post #13951028 (external link)
For future senior shoots, the idea would not be salvaging. It would be including a few GOOD shots, where one is selected for a special effects thing.

So much so, that I could almost foot the bill, so to speak, on the manipulation.

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:cool:

Which company are you using and how much is it per image? :) I do like the truck one, although they didnt do the best job where she is sitting, but probably better than what I can do with half an hour in photoshop. :)


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Feb 23, 2012 11:02 |  #6264

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Which company are you using and how much is it per image? :) I do like the truck one, although they didnt do the best job where she is sitting, but probably better than what I can do with half an hour in photoshop. :)

Let me PM you about that. But also, do you see the name at the bottom of the image?

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The retoucher's specialty is not graphics, which they told me already. But their ingenuity for a concept at the drop of a hat was triple what I expected. Every bit as good as the one retoucher whose portfolio got me even considering this angle. It was a lot more affordable than a 3rd LA based outfit that was out of my price-range.

I can fix skin and facial stuff a little. And for landscaping, I'm great with those design elements. But in graphic arts stuff like this, it seems so much more practical to just let someone with a real knack for it, go to town in 1/10th the time it would take me to still be scratching my head.

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Feb 23, 2012 12:00 |  #6265

Vaden it was soften. mask off feathers (I didn't do a good job on that),Duplicate -selective color on feather and eyes with color pop- Levels- reduce opacity top layer just a little.


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Feb 23, 2012 21:55 |  #6266

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Let me PM you about that. But also, do you see the name at the bottom of the image?

I do now, I didnt give it much thought since I figured that was your website. I didnt look at it carefully. Do they put that on the final result? Since you are paying them for the service, its not something I would want to be in the image the client gets.


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Feb 23, 2012 23:19 |  #6267

I'm sorry, but I would not pay a dime for those edits....they cheapen those photographs tremendously! You would have been better off giving client the originals...just my opinion.


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Feb 24, 2012 00:28 |  #6268

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I'm sorry, but I would not pay a dime for those edits....they cheapen those photographs tremendously! You would have been better off giving client the originals...just my opinion.

Both were given the originals.

And they like the graphic edits enough that the woman immediately used her's for an avatar.

And the man right away asked how to get a poster size printed.

Related to what I wrote earlier, edits like that are worth ten times what was paid for them in advertising value.

Had I applied your approach for my needs, I'd have been worse off. And in my 30 years of business, I typically choose what helps. Advertising costs money anyway.

If $25 to $50 for a graphic reduces advertising costs elsewhere, and brings in extra income, it's hardly even an expense. It's like savings. In a few months, the results erase the expenditure.

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Feb 24, 2012 00:42 |  #6269

mdvaden wrote in post #13956585 (external link)
Both were given the originals.

And they like the graphic edits enough that the woman immediately used her's for an avatar.

And the man right away asked how to get a poster size printed.

Related to what I wrote earlier, edits like that are worth ten times what was paid for them in advertising value.

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Sorry...I disagree. I would not want that edit shown on facebook, even if they had 5000 friends. I will not even show a client something that I am not 100% happy to share online.
I deal a lot with small children, and I have parents that have spent several dollars in orders from me and I give them a facebook image for their profile. A week later one of their friends snap a shot of their kid and post it. The image can be horrible quality and poor photography, but that really doesn't matter to them. They still pull down my image and make the awful picture their profile. This also happens with seniors, and adults. It's more about them, instead of the quality of the image. So therefore I can see why they would make it their profile picture. But if that is what people see, with your name attached to it, it could do you more harm than good.
Maybe in your area people would think that was good. If I showed anything like that, I would not book another session this year.
I mean nothing against you, and hope this doesn't come across that way, I just think the edits are horrible...lol
Good Luck! Hopefully it works for your good!


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Feb 24, 2012 01:50 |  #6270

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Sorry...I disagree. I would not want that edit shown on facebook, even if they had 5000 friends. I will not even show a client something that I am not 100% happy to share online.
I deal a lot with small children, and I have parents that have spent several dollars in orders from me and I give them a facebook image for their profile. A week later one of their friends snap a shot of their kid and post it. The image can be horrible quality and poor photography, but that really doesn't matter to them. They still pull down my image and make the awful picture their profile. This also happens with seniors, and adults. It's more about them, instead of the quality of the image. So therefore I can see why they would make it their profile picture. But if that is what people see, with your name attached to it, it could do you more harm than good.
Maybe in your area people would think that was good. If I showed anything like that, I would not book another session this year.
I mean nothing against you, and hope this doesn't come across that way, I just think the edits are horrible...lol
Good Luck! Hopefully it works for your good!

One lesson I'm learning is that edits can be done for certain people.

In my landscape business, I mastered getting into the thoughts of customers to find out what they want. Then I designed for them alone. In photography, I'm seeing that the same thing applies.

Some folks won't appreciate graphics. I'm starting to compile a graphics album too, to see how folks react. That way I won't need to spin my wheels.

As far as what you think you might lose, how would you know? If you have not posted those kinds of graphics, it seems like you would have no way to ascertain other than speculation. Have you ever posted or included examples very close to that kind of editing before, in a portfolio for people to see? Or have you shown other photographers graphics to potential customers and heard them gag in exclamation?

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