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Feb 24, 2012 04:39 |  #6271
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mdvaden, I just want to throw my 2 cents in real quick. I have to agree with the majority on the cheesy look. I am not saying that some graphics would be a bad idea for Senior pictures but these just look way to out of it. I would search for a different graphic designer. This guys work is pretty bad.


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Feb 24, 2012 08:48 |  #6272

locky wrote in post #13957281 (external link)
. I would search for a different graphic designer. This guys work is pretty bad.

I agree.


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Feb 24, 2012 09:40 as a reply to  @ KCMO Reefer's post |  #6273

I feel it is the difference of being seen as a great photographer or a great photoshop artist. I don't think you can pull off both. In the eyes of the public, they will either perceive you as one or the other. I have made edits similar and although I am not great as a photoshop artist (or photographer :rolleyes:) the kids loved the edits....but that was brief. They move along. The parents....they didn't even mention the edits, so you know what that means.

To me, and this is just my opinion and no one asked for it..... which one (a well orchestrated portrait or an edit such as the ones posted) will hang on a wall for generations?


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Feb 24, 2012 10:42 |  #6274

cbknight wrote in post #13958283 (external link)
To me, and this is just my opinion and no one asked for it..... which one (a well orchestrated portrait or an edit such as the ones posted) will hang on a wall for generations?

Likely just the photograph. (referring to the "hang" part)

The photo will preserve the memory of what happened.

Which one will etch a like of the photographer in the subject's mind initially? Probably the entire photo collection plus a graphic. First impressions matter.

As far as the quality of graphic work, that I can still explore. This was phase one. Keep in mind, I posted here on POTN and no photographer gave a recommendation. Likewise at another forum. No photographer gave a referral of a retoucher / graphic art person they liked. So it's not as if I didn't ask. That would leave trial and error.

Consider the past few replies in this topic commenting on quality of the graphic work - none have offered a better name.

Also, my idea is not doing several graphic edits per youth. Just possibly one. So they could get anywhere from a dozen (on upwards) standard photographs. But at most, one graphic change, if any. So from the shoot, they would lose not one image.

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Feb 24, 2012 11:19 |  #6275

mdvaden wrote in post #13958624 (external link)
First impressions matter.

Consider the past few replies in this topic commenting on quality of the graphic work - none have offered a better name.

Also, my idea is not doing several graphic edits per youth. Just possibly one. So they could get anywhere from a dozen (on upwards) standard photographs. But at most, one graphic change, if any. So from the shoot, they would lose not one image.

:cool:

First impressions do matter, but they aren't everything. Relationships are everything. I have no doubts that you can pull this off. I don't believe anyone here doubts that. Finding the right artist that meshes up with your style will go a long way. I don't believe anyone here has withheld the name of their graphic artist from you for any reason, I just figure most of us don't have a name for one since we don't/haven't used one.

I would suggest asking in the Services Offered Forum https://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdis​play.php?f=105
or trying Model Mayhem because there are a lot of retouchers/graphic artists that would more than likely work on an image for you to show their skills. You could put a casting call out and see if you get any response. I would think that some would reply looking for regular work with a working photographer.

Hope this helps


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Feb 24, 2012 11:23 |  #6276

cbknight wrote in post #13958837 (external link)
First impressions do matter, but they aren't everything. Relationships are everything. I have no doubts that you can pull this off. I don't believe anyone here doubts that. Finding the right artist that meshes up with your style will go a long way. I don't believe anyone here has withheld the name of their graphic artist from you for any reason, I just figure most of us don't have a name for one since we don't/haven't used one.

I would suggest asking in the Services Offered Forum https://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdis​play.php?f=105
or trying Model Mayhem because there are a lot of retouchers/graphic artists that would more than likely work on an image for you to show their skills. You could put a casting call out and see if you get any response. I would think that some would reply looking for regular work with a working photographer.

Hope this helps

The casting call is an interesting angle.

I've done that there for models, just never considered it for something like a retoucher / graphics person.

Thanks for the idea.

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This subject reminds me of 3 posters where my mother got her eye exam. A large well established eye clinic. Nicely decorated. I was looking at one poster, at the details. It was not graphics, but if anything would have involved retouch work. Anyway, little bits of makeup could be seen near the male model's beard ... stuff I could have, or would have fixed.

So the graphics detail for the martial arts one I posted is at least that good enlarged.

Of the two I posted, the gal and car would be the one where I could hope for some fine-tuning, like where she is seated. Maybe more shadow. But if I tried that again, I'd probably studio shoot a model sitting on a chair or something against a background. And spare sending a mossy bounder shot where the moss breaks the outlines. Seems it would cut down a lot on editing time.

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Feb 24, 2012 23:07 |  #6277

mdvaden wrote in post #13956987 (external link)
As far as what you think you might lose, how would you know? If you have not posted those kinds of graphics, it seems like you would have no way to ascertain other than speculation. Have you ever posted or included examples very close to that kind of editing before, in a portfolio for people to see? Or have you shown other photographers graphics to potential customers and heard them gag in exclamation?

:cool:

First off, the other person was right, the reason I have no name to offer is because I do not know of anyone, because I have never used anyone.
And yes I have had people come to me to book a session, and they look at me and say, "Please tell me you don't do stuff like this." Then they pull out their cell phone and show me a friend's facebook profile picture that was done similar to the edits you posted.
I have not posted anything remotely close to the image of the girl and the car. As far as the martial artist, I myself have done something similar, but much better quality in years past, and I found out, that is not my style nor what my clients want. Like I said, clients are different in different areas, but my normal clients would be appalled to see their images done like those edits. I make composites/collages from multiple images from the client, that they love, just not the cheesy looking edits. I would be happy to post a couple of the collages that I am talking about sometime if you would like to see.
I too hope you find a graphic artist that will compliment your photography, and not cheapen it! I wish the best for you.


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Feb 25, 2012 00:21 |  #6278

Not going to lie, I'm 15 and I think I could do better of a photo manipulation than that. :confused:

But, if it works for you it works for you. Go for it champ. ;)


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Feb 25, 2012 08:25 |  #6279

I think y'all are making too big of a deal out of this. If the images were posted by Phamster or another top senior photographer here that we all look up to, I GUARANTEE this would have blown over in seconds. They dang sure wouldn't have gotten the "go for it champ" comment. Sure, we all might have said, that's a poor edit, but If the first person that saw it was Phamsters post would have said AWESOME!!! then the rest would have followed.....those that disagreed more than likely wouldn't have said anything, or just mentioned the edit. If mdvaden wants to do one edit per customer, none of the rest of us know for sure if it is a good or bad idea.

Somebody post some pictures.


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Feb 25, 2012 08:45 |  #6280

mdvaden,

When i was younger, i spent all my free time in a kung fu school... i would have KILLED (not literally :) ) for a photo like the Karate guy... though I would have asked if i could see more examples of what i want the graphics to look like. You've got a good idea here. I think, it might best fit by having the edited ones fit a related scheme to whatever the subjects has a passion for.
EG: if the first one (gal on car) had a passion for 50's cars, cha-ching $$$$!!

I recently completed a High School basketball team photoshoot. Each had just a basic pose, and one I "worked it up a little". Next thing you know, i'm getting emails, "can you put me on an NBA court with so and so..." another was, "can you [Use a strong radial blur] and make me look like i'm rushing past (another team mate)..." Sad to say, my photoshop skills are too basic to do what those guys were asking for, so I just sold them the rights to the file and told them to take it to someone who could.
I do understand our fellow poster's comments about the quality (of course some just cant see the value in at all), but despite that, you're a businessman... go make some money! Anyone mentioning the idea is not worth it (though i didnt see anyone go that far), i'd let experience differ with lack of experience, and just do your thing.

I like to see more of them eventually - just mention what the passion of the subject was. Hats off for the idea!


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Feb 25, 2012 13:21 |  #6281

Ty Senior ~ Brick Wall Set up

Seems the set up shots are popular..

here i have Ty son of a close Co Worker of mine..

we have him next to a Brick Wall Denny backdrop.

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Feb 25, 2012 13:34 |  #6282

cbknight wrote in post #13963850 (external link)
I think y'all are making too big of a deal out of this. If the images were posted by Phamster or another top senior photographer here that we all look up to, I GUARANTEE this would have blown over in seconds. They dang sure wouldn't have gotten the "go for it champ" comment. Sure, we all might have said, that's a poor edit, but If the first person that saw it was Phamsters post would have said AWESOME!!! then the rest would have followed.....those that disagreed more than likely wouldn't have said anything, or just mentioned the edit. If mdvaden wants to do one edit per customer, none of the rest of us know for sure if it is a good or bad idea.

Somebody post some pictures.

humm not so sure about that.. i got my chops busted in the multi lighted threads recently, had lots of negative response on a heavily photoshopped image... even i am not exempted from critique..


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Feb 25, 2012 14:12 |  #6283

Is it just me or does that chair make him look extremely...small?
I might just be crazy ~.~

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humm not so sure about that.. i got my chops busted in the multi lighted threads recently, had lots of negative response on a heavily photoshopped image... even i am not exempted from critique..

haha, I held my tongue from mentioning that :P


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Feb 25, 2012 14:40 |  #6284

Pham, your images make me jealous but your ceiling height makes me drool. :D


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Feb 25, 2012 14:46 |  #6285

phamster wrote in post #13965194 (external link)
Ty Senior ~ Brick Wall Set up

Seems the set up shots are popular..

here i have Ty son of a close Co Worker of mine..

we have him next to a Brick Wall Denny backdrop.

lighting was 2 lights

1 boomed softlighter camera left @ about 1/2 power
1 Creative light strip light with a grid camera right @ about 1/2 power


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Very nice even lighting Pham. Did you use a light meter?


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