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Feb 25, 2012 13:21 |  #4591

How much are we talking? ;)


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Feb 25, 2012 13:23 |  #4592

mikekelley wrote in post #13965196 (external link)
How much are we talking? ;)

Hi Mike. PM me when you can and we can discuss offline. Thanks!




  
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Feb 25, 2012 14:36 |  #4593

mikekelley wrote in post #13965196 (external link)
How much are we talking? ;)

This would be the man to talk to!


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Feb 25, 2012 14:55 |  #4594

Here's what I did, I went on the net and did some reading on SNS HDR...not that I don't trust you but I wanted "a second opinion". What I found was a general opinion in its favor :"Excellent software that renders a natural look, excellent service from creator and it's a surprise this software does not get more advertising."

So I went ahead and bought the PRO version, ran some tests and sent my results to some Real Estate photographers I know. I told them I was trying to tweak my Photoshop post processing hehehehe.

I sent 3 people, 4 images: 1 LR Infuse, 1 SNS natural finish, 1 SNS interior finish and 1 SNS night finish. Results came in this morning: they all liked the same image which was SNS Interior. So, I don't believe that the results are coincidence. I am personally happy with the results but I will run more tests on rooms with lots of windows as I want to really compare that to LR Infuse.

PS: Thank you for introducing me to SNS. I am quite impressed with the results.

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I got the Pro. The software creator, Sebastian, is second to none. I had a set of images come back once with this strange line in the sky that was not in any of the frames. I sent him an email and he asked me to send the images, so I did. Two days later he releases an update and the line was gone.

He also did some recent updates to improve highlights but it started causing halos, the next thing you know there is a new release that fixed the halos. The guy is on top of it. I'm seriously thinking about donating more money just to say 'thanks' for caring so much about the software. It's not like any of the big boys, where you have to wait for a new version to get a lot of new features. He has added a curves feature that you can use with a layer mask, or with the entire image, and many more features. If he had the ability to market like Photomatix and the others, he would take over the HDR software market.

I have probably emailed him 4 or 5 times with questions and he always gets back to me within a day or two. Try that with one of the big boys. LOL

You can always try before you buy, so I recommend you get the trial and see what you think. If you don't like the results, get in touch with me and I'll see if I can walk you through some of the steps I have figured out to improve the output image.


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Feb 25, 2012 15:02 |  #4595

I'll second what Grundvig said.

And add that you can always read up on it here :http://photographyforr​ealestate.net/ (external link)

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I don't know of anyone, but I can only imagine that you will hard pressed to find someone to give you 1:1 time to teach you how to do THEIR job without compensation. That would be like asking a RE agent to teach you how to sell your own home, why would anyone do that?

I think it would cost you less $$ to hire a professional than it would cost you to get a professional to train you how to take good photos. The time alone to learn what it takes to know what we know would outweigh the $$ spent to just hire an expert in that field. If you want it DONE right, then you need to DO it right.

Besides, you can't learn how to shoot RE in a few hours. If you could, everyone would be doing it and all the MLS photos would be of much higher quality. It takes months, years even, to fine tune your skills.


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Feb 25, 2012 15:07 |  #4596

Joe.Recon wrote in post #13965645 (external link)
Here's what I did, I went on the net and did some reading on SNS HDR...not that I don't trust you but I wanted "a second opinion". What I found was a general opinion in its favor :"Excellent software that renders a natural look, excellent service from creator and it's a surprise this software does not get more advertising."

So I went ahead and bought the PRO version, ran some tests and sent my results to some Real Estate photographers I know. I told them I was trying to tweak my Photoshop post processing hehehehe.

I sent 3 people, 4 images: 1 LR Infuse, 1 SNS natural finish, 1 SNS interior finish and 1 SNS night finish. Results came in this morning: they all liked the same image which was SNS Interior. So, I don't believe that the results are coincidence. I am personally happy with the results but I will run more tests on rooms with lots of windows as I want to really compare that to LR Infuse.

PS: Thank you for introducing me to SNS. I am quite impressed with the results.

Yeah, 'Interior' does a great job and I really like the results for exterior shots as well. My only tweaks to 'Interior' are for White Balance and when some areas are too dark. I'll make a layer mask, select the color cast (yellow or blue) and then either warm or cool that colors. I have a Preset I made of Interior with the yellow pulled down and I used to use that a lot until the layer mask came out.

I also have another Preset I made with the same settings as Interior, but I moved the shadow slider up and the highlight recover slider up a bit. There are some rooms that will look better with just the standard Interior, and then some look better with my Interior_1 Preset. To be honest, I have never had to stray away from either of these two sliders. One of them makes a great starting point, then I make a few minor tweaks, then it's off to PS.

Glad to hear that others out there feel the same way and have had the same experiences I have.


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Feb 27, 2012 23:00 |  #4597

Wow, some people have a lot of nerve. I had an agent I did a shoot for and I've been trying to collect my money for two freaking months. She has been ignoring calls, emails, etc. Then, all of a sudden, she pays and then wants me to do another shoot. She orders it today and I tell her I am booked until Friday. She gets pissed at ME as says that doesn't work for her.....LOL

I have to admit, I never had any problems getting paid when I was doing just the Interactive Floor Plans because the company that builds it for me also charges the agent's credit card. However, now that I'm doing a lot more photo only gigs, some of these agents are a pain in the arse to get money from. From now on, I think I'm going to send a PayPal invoice, once they pay it they can have their photos. I just don't have time for billing and tracking down invoices.

Okay, I'm dong venting....LOL


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Feb 27, 2012 23:09 |  #4598

TGrundvig wrote in post #13980815 (external link)
I think I'm going to send a PayPal invoice, once they pay it they can have their photos. I just don't have time for billing and tracking down invoices.

:idea::idea::idea:


How GREAT would a service be that you could upload your photos, send the client an invoice that when paid (PP, CC etc.) would allow them to d/l the photos. All you have to do is u/l and email. Done!

Hmmmmm.....


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Feb 28, 2012 06:42 |  #4599

TGrundvig wrote in post #13980815 (external link)
Wow, some people have a lot of nerve. I had an agent I did a shoot for and I've been trying to collect my money for two freaking months. She has been ignoring calls, emails, etc. Then, all of a sudden, she pays and then wants me to do another shoot. She orders it today and I tell her I am booked until Friday. She gets pissed at ME as says that doesn't work for her.....LOL

I have to admit, I never had any problems getting paid when I was doing just the Interactive Floor Plans because the company that builds it for me also charges the agent's credit card. However, now that I'm doing a lot more photo only gigs, some of these agents are a pain in the arse to get money from. From now on, I think I'm going to send a PayPal invoice, once they pay it they can have their photos. I just don't have time for billing and tracking down invoices.

Okay, I'm dong venting....LOL

I'm with you. I'm looking forward to being paid BEFORE I go do the floor plan or the video!




  
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Feb 28, 2012 08:53 |  #4600

I did a little test yesterday to compare HDR with my technique for real estate (single exposure).
My HDR technique is not very good because I almost never use it..
This is probably the hardest lighting conditions I have to deal with. Complete backlight with the sun in front, no interior lighting, dark wood, brick etc..

Single exposure:

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HDR:
IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/nicolasshapiro/image/141787979/original.jpg

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Feb 28, 2012 11:22 |  #4601

dj, I like your original better only because of the colors. The HDR would've been excellent had you retained the original colors of everything.


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Feb 28, 2012 12:15 |  #4602

TheReal7 wrote in post #13980846 (external link)
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How GREAT would a service be that you could upload your photos, send the client an invoice that when paid (PP, CC etc.) would allow them to d/l the photos. All you have to do is u/l and email. Done!

Hmmmmm.....

There has to be a way to make it work. It seems pretty simple if you ask me. I upload the photos to dropbox.com, copy the share link, then somehow setup PayPal so that it releases the link AFTER payment is received. Let me do some digging around and see what I can find.


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Feb 28, 2012 12:20 |  #4603

DJ, I like different things about each. Like the fireplace hearth better in the HDR, I like the lamp shade better in the HDR, and I like how there isn't a hot spot on the beam in the HDR....but, I like the rich colors in the single frame better, and I most certainly like to see white ceilings being white. Whites should be white, and the flash always helps to get that.

Did you try adding your flash frame to your AEB set for HDR merging? Sometimes the flash frame will improve the white balance but still allow you get get the natural highlights and shadows that the HDR frames will give you.

With that said, what really matters is what your clients think. I would send this to your top 5 clients and ask them to pick their favorite and tell you why.


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Feb 28, 2012 12:53 as a reply to  @ TGrundvig's post |  #4604

You could also layer the flash version over the HDR version, change the layer mode to "color." Then you could mask the parts you don't like. This method gives you the best of both worlds... even tones, natural colors, no flash shadows.


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Feb 28, 2012 13:36 |  #4605

Thank you for your feedback guys.

I really suck at HDR because i barely use it.
I will try to blend the flash image on the hdr for the really high end shoots but the key of my technique is the short PP needed.
That single exposure shot takes me a few seconds only to PP. Its basically a ACR preset and thats it.

I havent got any big enough jobs that are worth speding more than the usual amount of time needed for my basic technique..
I should practice for this eventuality tho!


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