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Mar 03, 2012 21:52 |  #6496

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FYI, you broad lit her.

Let it go, its a bad shot, adding vignette will not help it :(

Case . I had her turn her back to the main light and turned her head back to light the short side,,, fill was on broad side,, lights set to 4:1 ratio


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Mar 03, 2012 22:01 |  #6497

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I like the 2nd one better than first. Things to improve would be adding a hair light in both. Particularly with black hair and darker bg.

Spot on. I actually had a backlight in the jersey image, and I thought it was working as planned (based on looking at the image on the camera LCD during the shoot), but after I got them on the computer, the actual outcome is obviously a little lacking. The backlight needed to be higher. Or, probably better yet, a hairlight coming from above...

Just curious - why do you like the 2nd one better? Honestly, I'm not sure I'm wild about the 2nd one, but I like the first one (even with the deficiencies noted).

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Mar 03, 2012 22:08 |  #6498

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Just curious - why do you like the 2nd one better? Honestly, I'm not sure I'm wild about the 2nd one, but I like the first one (even with the deficiencies noted).

Thanks for the response. I appreciate you taking time to offer critique.

I think first one everyone does that kind of shot. 2nd one I like as he is nicely dressed and back ground matches his dress colors. Wish smile wasn't that big but all in all I like that shot. Guy shots are much harder to do for me.


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Mar 03, 2012 22:15 |  #6499

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Man I really agree with the 70-200 F/4 comment:cool::cool:. Its a highly underrated portrait lens,,especially for $550.00 bucks......I'm rarely below F/4 in the studio. Its a really really great lens and its on my camera a lot.

Where is it $550? Or do you mean used? Its about $650 on amazon/bh. :)


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Mar 03, 2012 22:24 |  #6500

I like doing that dark shot, because everyone is always amazed how you can get rid of the ambient lights in the studio. Most don't understand the faster shutter speed explanation - they just think it's magic. Same thing with shooting a gel onto a black background and having it show up as color. I suppose I'll get tired of it eventually, but I'm amused by it for now :)


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Mar 04, 2012 00:01 |  #6501

umphotography wrote in post #14017611 (external link)
Case . I had her turn her back to the main light and turned her head back to light the short side,,, fill was on broad side,, lights set to 4:1 ratio

Your ratios are off then, what you actually accomplished via your exposures is:
Broad lit her with a key, and rim lighted her.
This is what your exposures ended up based on what you set your lights to.

Short lighting is having -shadow- on the dominant part of the face, the only shadow you have is in between your key and rim on the short side of the face.

The reason this is broad light is because both of your lights are too strong, so your fill actually became your key, and your key actually became a rim.


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Mar 04, 2012 00:04 |  #6502

Csae wrote in post #14017365 (external link)
FYI, you broad lit her.

I believe it is short lit. What you are seeing is the better exposure on the fill, and the main overexposed, so it gives an appearance of broad lit. But he is right, the main light is on the short side of the face.


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Mar 04, 2012 00:16 |  #6503

....You decide what light does what duty based on the power you set it to compared to your exposure.

If your "key" is "overexposed" then it is a Rim.
If your "fill" is "overexposed" then it is a Key.

Go look up some examples on Rembrandt and short lighting, this isn't it. This is broad light with a rim.

We aren't debating whether the photo is any good, you are trying to skew a photographic term with an improper definition, what you *want* your light to be is meaningless if you set your exposure wrong.

Now, if you had shot it at f13 instead of f7.1, then Yes, you would of had your lights do what you wanted them to, but because you shot at f7.1 and overexposed the entire shot, the lights ended up being key & rim instead of your desired goal.


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Mar 04, 2012 00:26 |  #6504

^^^I see what you are saying.....He initially short lit it, but due to the overexposure, it became a broad lit image.


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Mar 04, 2012 00:44 |  #6505

Exactly.

I would also like to mention that a 4:1 ratio for key/fill is pretty extreme.


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Mar 04, 2012 08:13 as a reply to  @ Csae's post |  #6506

Csae

Understand your explanations and will say you are right. I was getting ready to move lights but before i did i tried this shot. I was going for a pretty high contrast look with the lights. Metered the ratios out with my meter but it just didn't do what i thought in my head i wanted to see,,I think i should have brought the brighter light closer and used a strip instead of a grid, maybe a cleaner angle as well. could not get it up high enough to fill that shadow. she was on her knees,,,,but it was definitely a bit different. Just not what i wanted:o.

Thats what i like about working with studio lighting.....lots to learn and experiment with...... I feel pretty lucky every time i can get a different look in my studio. I'm limited with space especially the 8' ceiling height but i can get a lot done,just not everything I have going on inside my little ol head

Thanks for your explanation,,,makes sense even though that's not what i intended to do


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Mar 04, 2012 16:36 |  #6507

Mike how do you explian to your client that you're trying out some new stuff and it may or may n ot work? Sometimes I shy away from trying new thing because I don't want to look silly if they don't come out (Not you YOU in any look silly)


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Mar 04, 2012 17:24 |  #6508

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Mike how do you explian to your client that you're trying out some new stuff and it may or may n ot work? Sometimes I shy away from trying new thing because I don't want to look silly if they don't come out (Not you YOU in any look silly)


I usually do it with our spokes models and Haley is one of our 2012 spokes models. I will say something like,,hey lets try this:lol:

Seriously, they just sit there and smile and we all have a good time. As we go through the sessions im trying to get reactions and get them to feel at ease. So we crank up the music real loud, I show them shots in the camera, ask them their opinions on some poses and we move lights and just have some fun...seems to work pretty good. I find that by doing this they get more relaxed, they see that they look good in the camera, and when i want to try stuff they are all for it.


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Mar 04, 2012 17:41 |  #6509

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I usually do it with our spokes models and Haley is one of our 2012 spokes models. I will say something like,,hey lets try this:lol:

Seriously, they just sit there and smile and we all have a good time. As we go through the sessions im trying to get reactions and get them to feel at ease. So we crank up the music real loud, I show them shots in the camera, ask them their opinions on some poses and we move lights and just have some fun...seems to work pretty good. I find that by doing this they get more relaxed, they see that they look good in the camera, and when i want to try stuff they are all for it.

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