Markk9 wrote in post #14019090
Another sleeple that willingly gives up his right's to make life easier.
This is what I don't understand. Having the right to do something means that you have that option open to you, it does not mean that you are obligated to take it. In this case, you have the option to not show ID, backed up by legislation. By being happy to show it, does not mean that you give up the right to not show it, simply that you choose not to exercise that right.
You say elsewhere in this thread (often) that showing the ID will lead to you losing the right. How? Even if everybody willingly showed it, the right to not do so would still be sitting in the statute books should someone decide not to.
However, if more and more people act like jerks and make life difficult for the cops by refusing to answer any questions or show ID, simply because they have that right and are determined to exercise it, just because they can, then that could lead to legislation compelling people to show ID. I mean, if nobody shows ID and that means that criminals get away with more crime, then your government may act accordingly. If most people are happy to answer a couple of simple questions, then there is no reason to enact such legislation.
Of course you should fight for your rights if somebody tries to take them away, of course you should exercise your rights if you have a reason to. But exercising them because not to do so would mean that you would lose them is a lame argument. Showing ID, when you have no reason to hide it (like being a wanted fugitive for example) does not take that right away from you.
We have many, many rights, do you exercise every single one all the time? I presume you have a right to go to church and practice the religion of your choice, so does not being religious take that right away? I have the right to free medical care, I could go to the doctor and get a free medical check tomorrow if I wanted, it's my right. I haven't been to the dpctor for a couple of years now, does that mean I give up my right to free care? No, it doesn't.
Our rights give us options that may not be available in other countries, we may choose to take that option or not (show ID or not show ID, it's a choice) but whichever option you choose, you always have the right to that choice. You give up nothing.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have had a few meetings with the law, whilst doing my photography. I have answered their questions and they have been satisfied within a couple of minutes and left me to get on with things. I never saw that as giving up my rights, simply choosing to be friendly and allay their concerns. Had they asked me to move along and stop taking photos, then I would stand by my right to not do so, because I want to get the shots I was there for. Had they asked me to hand over my CF card, I would refuse to do so too. The latter two situations have never arisen, because I have always satisfied them as to my intent very quickly.
I have also had numerous dealings with the police due to excessive speed whilst driving (hey, I like to drive quickly) however, by being polite and answering their questions in a friendly manner, even though I was in the wrong I have never received a ticket, always a friendly "keep your speed down, sir" and let on my way. Be respectable to the police and they will (generally) be respectable to you. Push them, and they will push back.
I have no problem with standing on my rights, when I wish to. You want to search my house? Get a warrant. I just don't see the point in standing on rights when there is no reason to. Saying that I will lose the right if I don't, just makes no sense.
Here in the UK, most people happily answer police, when there is a reason to. However, "sheeple" we are not. When the government wanted to bring in compulsory ID cards, the people who are happy to co-operate with the police voluntarily, suddenly got very vocal and stopped the scheme dead. Despite our general lack of standing on our rights when chatting to the police, we do not have to carry ID at any time, even when driving.
Fighting for your rights is admirable and just, however being a jerk simply because you have a right to be, is just stupid. The more trouble photographers make for the police, the more they will go out of their way to check up on them. I don't want to get the brunt of it, because some other idiot has wound a cop up and made him see photographers in general as troublemakers with something to hide.