Shadowblade wrote in post #14025688
That's how you rebut an argument? I raised a valid point - the D800 is
effectively an updated 1Ds3 with a Nikon mount. Or are you contesting that it's somewhat deficient in comparison?
I just see the debate irrelevant. You either like the 5D3 or you don't.
Since the 5D3 is not going to change, it's more relevant to debate what the 5D3 is - and is not - than to try to post again and again and again and again and again and again and again [you get the point] that you are not happy with Canon marketing decisions.
So if you are not happy with Canon decisions, and see the 1Ds3 is improved by the D800 but at a lower price than 1Ds3 or 5D3, then the natural step is to go get the D800.
If you do not want the D800, then it's better that you return back and debate the real strengths/weaknesses of the 5D3. And we don't even have all information yet. There are very few test photos. We don't know how good the weather sealing is - if it's similar to the 7D. We have seen too little data to know if it will have the banding problems the 5D2 did suffer from.
What we do know, is that Canon have upgraded the 5D3 compared to the 5D2 on every point people have complained the 5D2 was a bit short.
In other words, they screwed up and got beaten.
And this is exactly the sentence that says I'm right => Go get the D800 instead of wasting your time debating the 5D3 - you have, after all, already made the decision how much you do not like the 5D3.
The line of cameras which has previously always had the best IQ in its league no longer does. With the minimal improvement we've seen so far, it's as if they didn't even try to compete.
Switch to cars. Have you ever seen one car brand always have "the best" car? Have Noink for the last 100 years always had one step worse cameras?
Still photographers bought into the 5D2 for IQ and resolution, not for anything else. In every other respect, it was a crap camera - slow, clunky, poor AF, poor weather sealing. But its IQ was superb, for its time.
I do think more than one buyer bought it because it was full-frame at a seriously lower cost than 1Ds3...
A camera which doesn't improve significantly on IQ and resolution, when that was the main focus of its 'predecessor', isn't a true successor. At most, it's an update, being essentially what the previous model should have been.
The majority of cars released do not improve significantly, but are still true successors. Life isn't always revolution. Besides - lots of 5D2 owners would say the new AF system is a significant improvement.
And lots of wedding photographers would say the second memory slot is a significant improvement.