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help - going to china - zeiss or not???

 
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Mar 05, 2012 08:58 |  #1

I'm going to china travelling in summer and currently have a zeiss 50 1.4 ze distagon and a canon 85 1.8 . But I need a wide lens. I do not particularly want an ultra wide zoom lens such as the sigma or tokina variants.
I currently only own a crop camera - 20d

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-sell current zeiss get a 35mm lens such as zeiss 35/2 ze and buy a 5Dc(nice viewfinder for mf lenses). Should be wide enough for landscapes.

or keep current zeiss and just get a prime lens in the 18 - 24mm range for use on the crop.(any suggestions , slightly prefer manual focus- colours and rendering a priority for qualities)



  
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Mar 05, 2012 09:23 |  #2

I'd say get the 35/2 and the 5DC.

I got my ZE 100 and ZE 35 at the same time, I use my 35 way more than I thought I would. I love the FL.


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Mar 05, 2012 09:29 |  #3

well thats simple haha thanks



  
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Mar 05, 2012 09:32 |  #4

hmm do you reckon that 35mm FF will suffice on the wide side - i think 35 and 85 is a good combo though



  
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Mar 05, 2012 09:32 |  #5

I would also get the 5DC and 35/2.

35mm focal length isn't really that wide, but, it is definitely more versatile than just having a 24mm or 28mm.

With the bigger/brighter view finder and a manual focus screen, you should do fine.

Of course, ideally try out this combination before buying. Also double-check the shutter count, if you can.


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Mar 05, 2012 09:59 as a reply to  @ marcosv's post |  #6

This is not a specific answer to your question but, here's what I used in China. I consider top-line zoom lenses as a better choice for travel photography than primes because of their versatility.

I traveled and shot for two weeks in China using a pair of cameras (30D and 40D) and the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses. I also brought a Tokina 12-24mm f/4 but, left that in my hotel safe most days. If I absolutely needed a wider shot than I could obtain with my 17mm; I would shoot a two or three frame hand held pano which is very easily accomplished.

The combination of 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses ON TWO 1.6x CAMERAS is simply the greatest travel and general photography setup I have ever used. See my China galleries at the smugmug.com link below.

The 17-55mm f/4L IS lens, by virtue of its constant f/2.8 aperture and excellent stabilization is a very viable low light glass...

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Travel/China-Focus-Tour-2010-Hong/021-Harbor-at-night/859682538_zS5qP-L.jpg
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Although the lens is a viable low-light glass, I made good use of a 550EX hotshoe flash. I modified the light with a Joe Demb Flash Diffuser Pro which allowed me to shoot even when there was no ceiling off which to bounce as in this night market...

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Other/Yangshuo-a/046-Tee-shirt-artists/858911199_3wdQp-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …58911199&k=3wdQ​p&lb=1&s=A  (external link)

The 70-200mm f/4L IS lens is light weight. I can carry this lens and the extra 1.6x camera at the same weight as a 70-200mm f/2.8L (series) lens alone. The 70-200mm f/4L IS lens is excellent for capturing images in which the subjects are unaware of the camera and thus are acting naturally...

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Other/CHINA-FOCUS-TOUR-2010-GUILIN/Guilin-Two-girls/869470225_ehxvk-L.jpg
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It can isolate subjects by cropping in the camera...

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Travel/China-Focus-Tour-2010-Hong/Cleaning-man-with-cart/859064345_rZdEm-L.jpg
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And it can compress distances making a mundane shot interesting...

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Travel/China-Focus-Tour-2010-Hong/Traffic-11/859075179_jsPrJ-L.jpg
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BTW: I would definitely recommend a second camera for any important photographic opportunity. A fellow tour member fell on the uneven sidewalk below the City Walls of Xi'an, China breaking his Nikon DSLR. He did not have a second camera and missed out on photography (including the famous Terra Cotta Warriors) until our tour arrived in Hong Kong where he bought a replacement camera. Additionally, if I had used a single camera with the two lenses mentioned above, I would have missed out on many photo opportunities. This would be even more evident if I had been shooting with primes.

See my images at http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com/ (external link)

  
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Mar 05, 2012 10:26 |  #7

I keep what you've got and pick up a wide lens. If 18-24 is wide enough for you, then go with that option. If you do the 5Dc route, take something to deal with dust.




  
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Mar 05, 2012 12:31 |  #8

i don't know if that'd be wide enough...at least it wouldn't for me...i took my 10-20mm 28-135mm, and a 50mm prime a few years back...majority of time i used the 10-20mm(but i had also just got the lens, so it could've been that new lens love)...used the 28-135mm as my walk around of sorts...

where in china are you going? i felt that beijing streets were a lot more narrow than shangai


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Mar 05, 2012 13:08 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #9

I am going to qindao, beijian, xian , tibet, shanghai , yellow mountains, guilin , lijian. Yeah the problem with ultra wide is that I am going to have to get a zoom with bad IQ . Plus i think sub 17mm is a bit of a novelty. Sure sometimes 35mm will not be wide enough for some vistas but at least its going to be more versatile than an ultra wide zoom.



  
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Mar 05, 2012 13:40 |  #10

If you're going to be traveling with a tripod, you always have the option of stitching. It's super easy. Even if you don't have a tripod, just set it in manual, lock your elbows and rotate :D

Seriously, the ZE 35/2 is a great lens. I love it up close. The 35/85 combo will be nice. If you could swing it, you could potentionally buy a OM 24/2.8. The Multicoated version isn't expensive and will adapt extremely well.

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The 35 is great close-up.

I actually don't have many pictures from it posted - so I can't show you anything stopped down at infinity.


Again, if you can swing spending 200-300 more - get the Olympus 24/2.8. It's small and fantastic.

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Mar 05, 2012 14:50 as a reply to  @ plasticmotif's post |  #11

Since you can afford a 5Dc, ZE 35/2 and 85/1.8, perhaps a 5Dc + 24-105L IS would also be a great alternative if you shoot mostly landscape and street shots. IS and weather-sealed lens is a bliss if you are traveling to the densely populated Chinese cities like Shanghai and Hong Kong in the rainy, humid summer season.


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Mar 05, 2012 16:04 |  #12

Rent a wide angle


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Mar 06, 2012 11:42 |  #13

5dc prices are getting lower with the III announcement. check out the contax 35-70, a nice travel companion for the 5d.


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Mar 06, 2012 14:20 |  #14

Take a look at the Voigtlander 20mm f3.5. I have the 40mm and love it. I just got my 5D II yesterday so I'm curious to see how much better it is to use vs on my 50D where the overhang of the built in flash makes it hard to see the markings on the lens for zone focusing. I want the 20mm, but wanted the 17-40mm L first. Can't beat the tiny physical size of the Voigtlander 20 or 40 when travelling.


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Mar 06, 2012 15:14 |  #15

tempest68 wrote in post #14036715 (external link)
Take a look at the Voigtlander 20mm f3.5. I have the 40mm and love it. I just got my 5D II yesterday so I'm curious to see how much better it is to use vs on my 50D where the overhang of the built in flash makes it hard to see the markings on the lens for zone focusing. I want the 20mm, but wanted the 17-40mm L first. Can't beat the tiny physical size of the Voigtlander 20 or 40 when travelling.

The Voigts IQ isn't that great.

If you go wider than 24 on full frame, the Olympus 21/3.5 is the only lens I'd recommend on the cheap.


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