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The 5D3 has banding issues. (pattern noise)

 
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Mar 07, 2012 23:17 |  #136

bw!

Invertalon wrote in post #14040316 (external link)
To be honest I am not a "fanboy" just because I pre-ordered the camera. I am not ignoring any bad aspects of this camera, either. I can clearly see the same things you do, but you have to realize that at this time we have nothing but speculation based on pre-production cameras out there. Sorry that you think excitement for this camera equals "fanboy rage" and people are just optimistic about it, or frankly don't care because they do not plan to push shadows 500% to reveal banding. If you expect a flawless camera, it will not happen. I am plenty sure more and more "flaws" will come out once people actually get the camera in their hands, it just depends if those flaws will make it unbearable for you to use or not.

I am not looking to start anything though... Everybody has opinions and I respect what other people have to say, good or bad. Just wanted to figure out why you just have not gone to Nikon yet :lol:


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Mar 07, 2012 23:19 |  #137

I would really await the actual release of the Camera before all these wild BS post.


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Mar 08, 2012 06:36 |  #138

MilesW wrote in post #14047486 (external link)
I would really await the actual release of the Camera before all these wild BS post.

No kidding. All the nonsense had me actually second guessing my preorder, then I just looked at the specs again, and also compared them to the brand of which we do not speak, and all worries were quelled, and all costs were justified.


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Mar 08, 2012 06:54 |  #139

i will buy her young daughter the 550D soon
and buy the nice mother >> 5D2 in a good price
these are a great bodies for me
i dont want anything else


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Mar 08, 2012 07:10 |  #140

Stamp wrote in post #14048547 (external link)
No kidding. All the nonsense had me actually second guessing my preorder, then I just looked at the specs again, and also compared them to the brand of which we do not speak, and all worries were quelled, and all costs were justified.

You can say it. "Sony". There, I said it.




  
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Mar 08, 2012 07:28 |  #141

frugivore wrote in post #14048638 (external link)
You can say it. "Sony". There, I said it.

Not quite, considering Sony makes only their sensors, and I don't have any interest in that many pixels on that size sensor. I'm more interested in the AF, ISO, AF, build quality, AF, ergonomics, AF, lens selection, and AF. I will say their camera has better looks! :eek:

Double cross type AF points?! Forget about it! :cool:


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Mar 08, 2012 07:51 |  #142

Quick, someone should start a 5D4 rumor thread so people can start pissing and moaning about it now. Maybe someone at Canon will see it and they'll adapt their ideas for it so everyone is happy.

I'll start, I'd like to have a remote starter built in so when I'm walking back to my car and it's chilly out it'll be all toasty and warm when I get there. Ooh, or maybe a hotshoe satellite dish so I can watch tv during down time.

Seriously though, I'll never understand why people stick with something they don't like(aside from jobs, bills gotta get paid). If something doesn't work for you change it to something that does, or the more colloquial "s*** or get off the pot".


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Mar 08, 2012 08:06 |  #143

Snydremark wrote in post #14040676 (external link)
It would seem to me that the easiest way to avoid this problem would be to expose one's shots correctly and not have to try and do a heroic save like increasing fill light to +100...:|

Except that the banding is visible in correctly exposed images too - it's just a question about amount of dynamic in the image.

A flash can only reduce the dynamic range of the scene if the dark objects are close to the camera. You don't want to blow the highlights just to "correctly expose" the shadows.

On the other hand - we don't know if existing photos are taken with the real firmware. Probably lots of these problems would depend on how the hidden row/column pixels are being used to balance the channels.


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Mar 08, 2012 08:15 |  #144

jaycky wrote in post #14040916 (external link)
In these times when people cannot even feed themselves let along pay for rent or are selling sex to pay the bills and we got these f-ing threads popping up omg..

Try to think a bit more about your arguments, since you are holding the gun against your own foot...

If people have little money, it would obviously be even more important that they feel the camera is worth the money they pay? Or didn't you realize that?

Im ashamed off all of you.. Today could be your last day on earth so go buy a flash add it to your camera and learn exposures

Please direct me to a camera shop or web shop that have a suitable flash that lights up a valley. Or oops - aren't they classified as nukes?

Some scenes can be better lit. Some scenes can be handled by overexposing in camera. But no. Not all. So don't try to push a broken line of reasoning too far.

Pretty sure every camera on the market can be made to band if you shoot off the chart!

You are closer to the truth than you realize. The real world have more dynamic range than our cameras can handle. Just that you seem to think that we can always adjust the real world. We can't. So we either miss highlights or shadows. And the camera manufacturers tells us that they are improving the cameras to span a larger dynamic range. Question is - should we accept the claim a camera has more dynamic range when that range contains visible patterns?

After all, putting the head under the pillow will not get problems to go away. Telling people problems are not problems will not make the problems go away.


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Mar 08, 2012 08:17 |  #145

pwm2 wrote in post #14048843 (external link)
Except that the banding is visible in correctly exposed images too

Are they?


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Mar 08, 2012 08:47 |  #146

Mastamarek wrote in post #14041376 (external link)
Its very difficult to do banding photos. I mean the technique itself is not difficult but the whole mentality of it is just ... well ... weird, lets put it that way.

But try this ... go outside, put F/22 and shutter speed 8000, then put some ND9 filters and take an exposure, then load the pic up in lightroom and raise up the exposure by 5 stops and put +100 fill light ... thats how you do banding photography. You should be able to see decreased image quality and some banding patterns on the image. Its the new thing nowadays, especially with Nikon users ;)

No - that is how to ignore a problem instead of starting by learn about the issues before you form an oppinion.


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Mar 08, 2012 08:52 |  #147

Ricku wrote in post #14041518 (external link)
And moments later..


See? :D We can't tolerate that someone points out banding in the 5D3, can we? :lol:

Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but flaws are supposed to be criticized. I've said many good things about the 5D3, but unlike the blind cheering team I'm not going to worship the darn thing like some holy artifact. :rolleyes:

We know about the banding issues in the 5D2.

But it would be better to wait a bit with declaring banding issues in the 5D3 until real photographers have real, final version, 5D3 cameras in their hands.

It's a big difference discussing a general concept in existence in an existing camera, and to discuss a potential problem in a new camera people haven't really been given the opportunity to test yet.


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Mar 08, 2012 09:30 |  #148

So much being talked about here, such a shame that is not validated. doesn't mean folks should ask question, i mean that is one of the reasons for the site. but this is one of many that we should consider what we are posting before we hit the button. I may love the 5d3 i ordered or not, but i will wait until i can actually try it before i judge, just me.


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Mar 08, 2012 10:57 |  #149

Old Baldy wrote in post #14045680 (external link)
Try the 5D3's auto HDR feature...blending up to 9 images to EASILY cover the DR you had in that range. Problem solved.

But it;s much more fun to bag on a camera that is not yet out....so, carry on.

Magic Lantern Unified provided this on the 5DmkII didn't it?




  
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Mar 08, 2012 11:11 |  #150

yalemba wrote in post #14045358 (external link)
Between the 5D M3's banding and 1DX's disappointing resoluiton, i foresee the value of my 1Ds M3 skyrocketing :-) :-) :-)

So you are sure that the 5D3 do have banding issues?
You know it for sure?
You have held a real, released, camera in your hands and spent a couple of days with it?
Guaranteed not with pre-release firmware?

Because that really is the issue - do we really know if the 5D3 do have any banding issues? We do know the 5D2 has. And we do know they are not the result of incorrect exposure, but are available within the dynamic range Canon specifically sells the camera as capable of.

But this thread should have waited until real camera tests with real cameras had produced real evidence on noise or banding issues. Right now, it's very much speculation by people who complain about banding. And it's very much head-in-the-sand by people who claim banding isn't an issue or result of incorrect exposure.


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