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Mar 09, 2012 15:45 |  #16

I mean lets be honest.... do the little bit higher dynamic range improve the pic THAT much? Enough to switch over to Nikon??


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Mar 09, 2012 15:55 |  #17

5Dmaniac wrote in post #14057330 (external link)
More than anything I was hoping for an improvement in DR - if the chart above is correct, then we are NOT getting it with the 5D3. I don't need more MPs or even better AF (I shoot landscapes mostly with my 5Ds).

i agree. looks like the 5d3 sensor, at least when DR is concerned hasn't advanced much vs the 5d2, which is a bummer. good thing im not just buying the 5d3 for DR... it has a plethora of other features that I love.


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Mar 09, 2012 16:00 |  #18

Tony Parenti wrote in post #14057910 (external link)
I mean lets be honest.... do the little bit higher dynamic range improve the pic THAT much? Enough to switch over to Nikon??

Well, that's a decision everyone has to make on their own. Landscape shooters may consider a move. I can't really see sports shooters going that route though.

Keep in mind, though, that we aren't talking about a "little bit higher dynamic range"...it's going to likely be 2+EV higher at ISO100.


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Mar 09, 2012 16:01 |  #19

AngryCorgi wrote in post #14057992 (external link)
Well, that's a decision everyone has to make on their own. Landscape shooters may consider a move. I can't really see sports shooters going that route though.

if they are that worried about DR, shouldn't landscapers just go with MF?


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Mar 09, 2012 16:03 as a reply to  @ ilumo's post |  #20

Yeah I see the same thing, which was consensus all along - Canon sensor's have 1-1.5 stops less in DR than Nikon's best (D3X, D7000, to lesser extent D4) and on par with D3, D3S, D700 etc.

So if it has roughly the same DR as 5D2 but less pattern noise in shadows, I am, generally, a happy camper :)


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Mar 09, 2012 16:04 |  #21

ilumo wrote in post #14058003 (external link)
if they are that worried about DR, shouldn't landscapers just go with MF?

(a) MF is a different price point altogether and (b) the DR of several sony-based sensors shame the DR of many, if not all, MF bodies/backs.


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Mar 09, 2012 16:05 |  #22

ilumo wrote in post #14058003 (external link)
if they are that worried about DR, shouldn't landscapers just go with MF?

Indeed, since after ISO-400 DR is a non-issue (<=9 across the board for all brands/models) ;)


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Mar 09, 2012 16:08 |  #23

bomzai wrote in post #14058017 (external link)
Indeed, since after ISO-400 DR is a non-issue (<=9 across the board for all brands/models) ;)

Here's why:

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Mar 09, 2012 16:54 |  #24

ilumo wrote in post #14058003 (external link)
if they are that worried about DR, shouldn't landscapers just go with MF?

Well, I do this for a hobby - nobody pays for my photographs:-) I also have a pretty big investment in Canon glass. I get by with the 5DII just fine but it does force me to do more HDR than I want to. I am old school and like to get my pictures right in camera as much as I can:-)




  
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Mar 09, 2012 17:01 |  #25

Can anyone seriously see a 1 log2 difference (from Canon's 9 to Nikon's 10) in DR at ISO 100?


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Mar 09, 2012 17:37 |  #26

davidc502 wrote in post #14058328 (external link)
Can anyone seriously see a 1 log2 difference (from Canon's 9 to Nikon's 10) in DR at ISO 100?

That depends. Will you push your shadows 7 stops up? :P


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Mar 09, 2012 17:52 |  #27

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That depends. Will you push your shadows 7 stops up? :P

Ha! :lol:


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Mar 09, 2012 18:34 |  #28

5Dmaniac wrote in post #14058301 (external link)
Well, I do this for a hobby - nobody pays for my photographs:-) I also have a pretty big investment in Canon glass. I get by with the 5DII just fine but it does force me to do more HDR than I want to. I am old school and like to get my pictures right in camera as much as I can:-)

i hear you. i'm pretty vested in canon glass, so going to nikon is a no no for me. also, a lot of my coworkers shoot nikon, so I will be able to play with their d4/d800 when its out anyway.
as for HDRs, the 5d3 will be able to do that in camera, with +-3EV, which will be way more DR than any single shot from the d800/d7000, etc. with 6fps, as long as the subject isnt moving much, you should be all set.
i love the d800 and think it will be a great camera... but the 5d3 is more my style. I wanted canon to copy the d700 (faster FPS, more responsive, awesome AF, lower MP, high iso perf) and canon responded.


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Mar 09, 2012 20:01 |  #29

davidc502 wrote in post #14058328 (external link)
Can anyone seriously see a 1 log2 difference (from Canon's 9 to Nikon's 10) in DR at ISO 100?

if I remember my math, I think it's a little less than 1/3 of a stop, talk about splitting hairs. :D


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Mar 09, 2012 20:38 as a reply to  @ Stone 13's post |  #30

A read noise of about 2.5 is what I would expect. I think the MkII was about 4-5 and the 1DIV is less than 2.

That's basically where they are doing to see the ISO and DR gains of 0.5-1 stop. I was hoping they would get it down below 2 though.

EDIT: just looked at the D4 - below 1 read noise. WOW! Even if it is a bit worse at high ISO. See that's the sort of improvement that is significant and if Canon got the 1Dx read noise down to ~1, then I think they are skimping on the 5DIII a bit. Maybe there is a trade-off between low and high ISO read noise (anyone know what this is about).


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