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Mar 08, 2012 21:57 |  #31

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Mar 08, 2012 22:51 |  #32

AlanU wrote in post #14032333 (external link)
oh oh I better be careful with my 7 foot octadome

Yes you should

Stuart Leslie wrote in post #14032566 (external link)
For what it's worth I have been using my 30x60 giant softbox and 47" octabox without any trouble on my Einsteins. Pretty much the same as with my AB800's. Just have to make sure all 4 fingers are properly engaged.

Good point I had not thought of making sure all four fingers were engaged. LOL

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Mar 08, 2012 23:54 |  #33

I just analyzed my Einsteins. Looks like its only a single spring cam lock style that actuates the fingers.

I do not think weight has anything to do with spring breakage. If you look at the spring when the Einstein its "normally locked" it has no tension. To unlock your speedring you use the levers. This is when the spring is "stretched".

Heavy modifiers or light modifier has NOTHING to do with spring breakage. The pathetic design uses a single spring from what I can see without taking the strobe apart. A dual spring would have alleviated the workload and also have some fail safe qualities.

The fingers once in "normally locked" position seems to be solid with no spring tension. I cant see how modifier weight will be accelerating this problem. I guess if the fingers are not fully locked (half way) this can pose as a problem.

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Yes you should

Good point I had not thought of making sure all four fingers were engaged. LOL

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Mar 09, 2012 08:35 |  #34

I can not speak to the exact cause of the failures, I lack the engineering back ground to do so.

But I can promise you that a correlation between the weight and size of the modifier, heat from the 250 watt lamp and the onset of mount failure has been established.

Pretty good strong correlation too, as is evidenced by PCB handing out 50 dollar please shut up about it store credits.

I have seen what I have seen across a large enough sample of Einstiens that there is no way I am trusting this mount with a modifier that can fall on a client again.

Do I still like the light yes... I do not think you can find another light that has the short flash duration, awesome color stability, huge power range and Great price point. PCB should add "but the mounting system sucks" to the web site.

Just common sense. Add a additional anchor to that Client smasher your hanging off those four little teeth!

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I just analyzed my Einsteins. Looks like its only a single spring cam lock style that actuates the fingers.

I do not think weight has anything to do with spring breakage. If you look at the spring when the Einstein its "normally locked" it has no tension. To unlock your speedring you use the levers. This is when the spring is "stretched".

Heavy modifiers or light modifier has NOTHING to do with spring breakage. The pathetic design uses a single spring from what I can see without taking the strobe apart. A dual spring would have alleviated the workload and also have some fail safe qualities.

The fingers once in "normally locked" position seems to be solid with no spring tension. I cant see how modifier weight will be accelerating this problem. I guess if the fingers are not fully locked (half way) this can pose as a problem.


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Mar 09, 2012 08:48 |  #35

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Good point I had not thought of making sure all four fingers were engaged. LOL

I know it seems obvious, but I have had a number of times where I was just about to let go of a mounted softbox but something didn't "feel right" and I could tell it was not going to hold. Each time it turned out to be either I missed one finger, or all 4 fingers didn't fully expand as they got hung up on something. I wish PCB could add something to indicate a complete lock. I get paranoid now and check each one a couple times- not an easy thing to do with a giant softbox on a boom!


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Mar 09, 2012 09:37 |  #36

Stuart Leslie wrote in post #14055539 (external link)
I know it seems obvious, but I have had a number of times where I was just about to let go of a mounted softbox but something didn't "feel right" and I could tell it was not going to hold. Each time it turned out to be either I missed one finger, or all 4 fingers didn't fully expand as they got hung up on something. I wish PCB could add something to indicate a complete lock. I get paranoid now and check each one a couple times- not an easy thing to do with a giant softbox on a boom!

Woot, my einstein setup will be here monday. Any tips on how you know if all the fingers are locked? This is my first strobe so Im a bit lost. :D


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Mar 09, 2012 09:51 |  #37

JakAHearts wrote in post #14055829 (external link)
Woot, my einstein setup will be here monday. Any tips on how you know if all the fingers are locked? This is my first strobe so Im a bit lost. :D

Softboxes are trickiest, BD and reflectors easy as you can just see the fingers engaged. With softboxes I literally look 360 degrees around the mount to insure no fingers are sticking out. Then I give a final tug before letting go. Haven't had anything drop yet. With the Einstein, you will get a feel for if the release lever has returned to it's original position and should visually check each time you mount to make sure it is fully locked.

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Mar 09, 2012 09:56 |  #38

I guess Ill have to see it to understand. I dont get how one can "miss" a finger but I guess Ill find out. Thanks! :D

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Mar 09, 2012 10:48 |  #39

The piece that rotates the light up and down, is that supposed to get tight when you turn it? Mine seems like it doesn't get tight enough and I run out of room to turn it


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Mar 09, 2012 10:51 |  #40

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The piece that rotates the light up and down, is that supposed to get tight when you turn it? Mine seems like it doesn't get tight enough and I run out of room to turn it

It rachets. You push the little black button in while turning back the other way then release and it will give you more room to tighten if that makes sense.


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Mar 09, 2012 12:57 |  #41

I figured it was operator error


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Mar 09, 2012 14:33 |  #42

What are some ways to get around/deal with the einstein mount's problems?

I ordered a KC beauty dish with the a single grip speedlight bracket and Alienbee adapter. If I understand correctly my Einstein will mount to the bracket, and my dish will mount to the bracket, and the bracket then mounts to my avenger d200 grip head (part of 2033 c-stand kit).

Will this circumvent any problems as the einstein basically only has to support its own weight with the mount? Is there a way to mount other modifiers to the KC bracket? I understand the 22" BD probably poses no problems, but some larger softboxes will.


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Mar 09, 2012 17:00 |  #43

JakAHearts wrote in post #14055829 (external link)
Woot, my einstein setup will be here monday. Any tips on how you know if all the fingers are locked? This is my first strobe so Im a bit lost. :D

Something else to consider, make sure that all 4 fingers are positioned properly within the mount...

Kacey has the following picture on his site that illustrates this perfectly! Notice the mount on the left?
Not really an issue in this pic, but add a large SB and having one of the top fingers misplaced could be a different story...

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Mar 10, 2012 03:44 |  #44

Went ahead and added another einstein/transceiver+t​rigger and a 64" SS plm. Decided I wanted the ability to control 2 light instead of just the key.


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