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Mar 11, 2012 12:18 |  #6541

One of my favorites from you, so much atmosphere, but then again, many of your shots have that because of the super blurry background and the really WIDE pov. So nice.


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Mar 11, 2012 22:17 |  #6542

^Sarcasm much?

Long time lurker, however I felt the need to register in order to address some fallacies I have observed in VisualEchos' responses to another member's feeler post regarding Carbon Fiber booms.

You seem to know a lot about photography and have posted quite a few times on this board but as we all know, that doesn't mean anything about the knowledge you possess as can clearly be seen in your knowledge of metal fabrication as I have seen the quality of your AL booms. When you decided to make a boom whose sections join by 1" thread instead of ferrules, you heavily compromised the structural integrity of your boom. You see...ferrules increase the amount of inner surface area at which the sections of the boom are connected which means the sections become increasingly stiff as the length of the ferrules are increased. This being said, ANY boom made out of carbon fiber, no matter how thick or thin, joined with ferrules would be miles better than the setup you sell. Since you seem to be so convinced that the only way a CF boom would be better than an AL boom is if the CF is layed up have a very large wall thickness, I would like to inform you of some of the mechanical properties of carbon fiber tube vs. 7075 (which is better quality than 6061) aluminum tube of the same wall thickness and length.

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In addition, I have looked at your flickr photostream and noticed that you have not taken very many rig shots in comparison to other members on this board. I say this because I wonder why you are so deeply convicted that you possess more rig photo knowledge than anyone else on here? I am a new member and its easy to see that you're just hating on this guy that is trying to help others. Whats up with that?

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Mar 11, 2012 22:50 |  #6543

Though I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls, I'll indulge you once. Once.

In the real world, with real CF tubing that isn't made specifically to be rigid along its straight axis, you will get more flex than with AL. How do I know this? I'VE USED THEM.

Secondly, I will say again that you will get no better performance with a 15' CF boom than you will with a 15' AL boom, unless you're doing something crazy (ie, drifting rig-shots), so there is NO NEED to spend the extra money.

It'd be different if all my shots, and everyone else's for that matter, were all blurry from the bounce of an AL boom, and everyone that uses a CF boom had super clear shots, but that's not what we find, is it? No, it's not.

I hope Neil does make a great CF boom for less than my AL, I'll be the first in line to buy one. In the end, he will be just like me; providing a valuable SERVICE to the automotive photographer's community.


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Mar 11, 2012 23:53 |  #6544

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Mar 12, 2012 03:06 |  #6545

mi5f0rl1f3 wrote in post #14069676 (external link)
You see...ferrules increase the amount of inner surface area at which the sections of the boom are connected which means the sections become increasingly stiff as the length of the ferrules are increased.

This is why I had 1ft long inserts turned down to join my boom sections.

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Neil, if you have some success with your CF boom I'd be all over it! The thought of shipping that bad boy to Australia scares me though $$$$$?

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Mar 12, 2012 12:23 |  #6546

Another rig shot, this was taken yesterday during the sunset :)

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Mar 12, 2012 13:18 |  #6547

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Mar 12, 2012 14:57 |  #6548

VisualEchos wrote in post #14066973 (external link)
One of my favorites from you, so much atmosphere, but then again, many of your shots have that because of the super blurry background and the really WIDE pov. So nice.

I don't see any hating or sarcastic views, i see two people with a different POV on the relavance of carbon over ali poles

Lets see the result from both and judge. If the carbon adds more stability then I'd be in subject to costs.

Drifting shots and more taxing rig shots will put both car and camera at risk and at that point its as much about the fixings as the pole IMO

mi5f0rl1f3, if your judging people on the number of shots rather than the quality ie sharpness and style then your on a loosing streak as you have zero shots to show, just charts that may or may not have real benefit in the real world ;-)a


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Mar 12, 2012 14:57 |  #6549

All over that, I likes it


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Mar 12, 2012 17:51 |  #6550

I did a panoramic rig shot on a SLS AMG roadster, this picture is made of multiple images

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Mar 12, 2012 18:17 |  #6551

Very cool, just needs an epic sky!


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Mar 12, 2012 18:52 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #6552

^^ Very nice shot!!
How many shots for that pano?


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Mar 12, 2012 20:00 |  #6553

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I did a panoramic rig shot on a SLS AMG roadster, this picture is made of multiple images

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Mar 13, 2012 01:24 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #6554

Supra_t wrote in post #14070536 (external link)
This is why I had 1ft long inserts turned down to join my boom sections.

Neil, if you have some success with your CF boom I'd be all over it! The thought of shipping that bad boy to Australia scares me though $$$$$?

Good man. Inner ferrules are definitely the better choice. Tack sharp photos under the most taxing rig conditions, yes please!

And no problem sir, I will let you know.

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Mar 13, 2012 09:33 as a reply to  @ neil1138's post |  #6555

I'm totally green to the rig stuff and just got my parts in to do some shots in the spring. I've gone through every darn page in this thread but just wanted to know if there are any more final tips someone new to this should have?

Also is there an easier way taking off the Avenger f1000's than trying to pull on that tab? I find it a pain to get off sometimes!

So much great info here, thanks so much! :)


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