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Mar 17, 2012 00:20 |  #31

I didnt see an answer to this and not sure if anyone asked it.

What is the book for? Is it internal only? Is it only a few copies? Are they selling the book to the general public? Do you want to be known as a photographer to the people that would see the book?


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Mar 17, 2012 01:37 |  #32

I would be upset and hurt. Even though you don't do photography for monetary gain, that does not give anyone the right or excuse to use your images without crediting you.


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Mar 17, 2012 08:24 |  #33

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE would be somewhat upset about not being given credit for their pictures. Not sure what you can do at this juncture though. Complaining won't change anything for the existing book!




  
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Mar 17, 2012 10:04 as a reply to  @ 5Dmaniac's post |  #34

Yes it is upsetting , but if you voluntarily provide the images for them than you pretty much gave them the images for free under their assumption to do with it what ever they want, same thing with Faceb..... if you upload images, see ya! Next time I would charge or give them copyrighted files. This is very common issue, no watermark - everyone assumes "freebee" sad but reality. I saw so many of my pics out there without my permission but am I going to per-sue everyone for doing so? NO. Watermark it is or don't upload your pics and don't give them for free even if you don't do it professionally.


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Mar 17, 2012 10:29 |  #35

Reminds me of my high school yearbook experience. At the end of school awards yearbook staff received no recognition but the school newspaper guys did.

No credit for pictures or the long late night hours in the darkroom....oh well.


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Mar 17, 2012 10:46 |  #36

peeaanuut wrote in post #14101218 (external link)
I didnt see an answer to this and not sure if anyone asked it.

What is the book for? Is it internal only? Is it only a few copies? Are they selling the book to the general public? Do you want to be known as a photographer to the people that would see the book?

the book is a public sold book in pathology. Its not I wanted to be known as a photographer I would like the credit given in the book for down the road I can put it on resume as i helped with this book. Just like I use when I have publications and my name is part of the authors.

But what really pisses me off about it..is I wouldnt have cared if they didnt credit ANYONE for photos in the book..but they gave credit under photos for images just pulled off stock photos of the product. So that person got credit for copying image off google and giving it to them to print in the book..yet I took the pics specifically for them and got no credit under them..


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Mar 17, 2012 11:04 |  #37

that absolutely makes sense to me. I would be upset as well.


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Mar 18, 2012 14:53 |  #38

You are there doing job A. You are asked to do job B and you do it. Without asking for your permission your work is sold. I would try to use this work that you did with no credit as your ticket to negotiate a raise. Tell them you have additional responsibilities which result in a printed book and that you need to be better compensated. You use your own equipment which is probably worth thousands of dollars. If they want you to do on the job photography than maybe they should purchase all the gear.


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Mar 18, 2012 14:57 |  #39

London Headshots wrote in post #14087422 (external link)
Work or no work, they have a legal responsibility to credit you as the author of the work . . .

No, they don't.
Where do people come up with these misconceptions?


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Mar 18, 2012 15:03 |  #40

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Ok so i just do the photography thing as a hobby..dont make any money just fun for me. So at work they asked me to take pics and have in the past and i dont mind doing it..So they publish a book and use about 15 images that I took for them for it and they came to show me today but they didnt credit me on any of the pics under the captions on them with info..I did this to help them out and not like I asked for any money but others in the past who used my pics at work atleast credited me for the photo on the page or brochure or whatever it was. This was a published book and I got no credit for any of my images. Granted non of them where any special type of photo but still other images in the book have credits under them and such.

It's happened to me before. Did you ask to be credited when you provided the photos? That is the single best thing you can do. Make your desires known up front. Don't assume; people cannot read your mind. Plus there are other issues competing for peoples' attention. You have to ask for what you want.




  
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Mar 18, 2012 15:03 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #41

I just got a 25% raise last week that I have been fighting for about a year now


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Mar 18, 2012 15:08 |  #42

I'd ask to be credited next time I took photos, and definitely would not listen to anyone who suggests doing anything that would potentially have a negative impact on your career. And to answer your question, yes, I think I would be a little upset.


  
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Mar 18, 2012 15:16 |  #43

No nor would I be surprised, however I would not be in this position because I would have made sure all these details would have been sorted before they had use of the images.


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Mar 18, 2012 17:04 |  #44

05Xrunner wrote in post #14108055 (external link)
I just got a 25% raise last week that I have been fighting for about a year now

Well, good for you. In the future, if I were you I'd work out a contract with them, since you were shooting with your gear and evidently being a company photographer is not part of your job agreement/contract. In that context you could claim copyright infringement if they used your work without an agreement that covers all the bases.

Like you say, you don't want to get into a wrangle with them, lawsuits and such. Sure, keep it "casual", you might think, and a "formal contract" may sound silly. But then, if a contract was made and abided by then you wouldn't be asking these questions here. And, if in the future a problem were to arise, including your leaving the company, a contract would be good not just for you but for them as well. In fact, one of the conditions spelled out in the contract could be how the photos should be handled and what compensation may be called for in case you were to leave the company.

Granted, this is "different" from "normal" things we produce for our employers. For example, when I did software development, the work was done on company time and with company-provided equipment, it was part of the job I was hired to do, and so the company "owned" the software that I authored, and presumably still uses it to help generate company profits, even though I am a fading memory to them...


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Mar 16, 2013 18:56 |  #45

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