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Mar 22, 2012 14:53 |  #1

...without water cooling.


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Mar 22, 2012 15:22 |  #2

If I were you I would never build another one without cable management., Yuck!!!




  
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Mar 22, 2012 15:25 |  #3

And I'll never build one with water cooling. Water can let the magic smoke out of electronics.


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Mar 22, 2012 15:41 |  #4

Daship wrote in post #14134053 (external link)
If I were you I would never build another one without cable management., Yuck!!!

Yeah, I know. It's not finished. All those stupid yellow/red cables on the bottom are from the internal fans, which seem these days to all come with a double molex connector plus a three pin connector. I need to get rid of all the molex junk and put the fan connectors on the MB or a fan controller.


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Mar 22, 2012 15:48 |  #5

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And I'll never build one with water cooling. Water can let the magic smoke out of electronics.

I know, I've been dealing with water cooled computers since the 1970s, which is why it will have a fan controller that will shut it down on rapid temperature excursions.

Kosik remembers a time when the IBM 360 mainframe was ubiquitous. These water-cooled behemoths would occasionally literally spring a leak, and "they were not waterproof," says Kosik. Burst hoses and leaking valves would lead to an immediate shutdown and a visit from a technician. In case of a failure in the building cooling system, the IBM 360 even had an optional bolt-on water storage tank.


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Mar 22, 2012 15:50 |  #6

where is the neon? isnt that all the rage still?


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Mar 22, 2012 16:02 |  #7

Hen3Ry wrote in post #14134196 (external link)
I know, I've been dealing with water cooled computers since the 1970s, which is why it will have a fan controller that will shut it down on rapid temperature excursions.

By the time rapid temp happens the smoke will be rolling. You cant get just as much cooling out of a $100 highend air cooler as you can with those welfare water wannabe coolers. Not worth the risk at all.




  
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Mar 22, 2012 16:54 |  #8

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where is the neon? isnt that all the rage still?

Lol. There actually is a blue LED tube in the front panel. It came with the case.


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Mar 22, 2012 17:06 |  #9

Daship wrote in post #14134293 (external link)
You cant get just as much cooling out of a $100 highend air cooler as you can with those welfare water wannabe coolers.

Indeed.

Every test I have seen of that type of water cooler (including that particular model), shows them to be about as effective as a decent air cooling unit. And less effective (and more noisy) than the really good air CPU coolers.

IMHO, water cooling is overrated. For almost all systems, the quietest and most efficient cooling is air. Even with some pretty serious overclocking.
And when you finally get to the point where air cooling is no longer a viable option, there are better alternatives than water cooling.




  
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Mar 22, 2012 17:30 |  #10

Cable management with a proper push pull fan set-up will get you way better temps. Most people forget to pull hot air out and are too worried about getting cold air in.


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Mar 22, 2012 18:51 |  #11

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Cable management with a proper push pull fan set-up will get you way better temps. Most people forget to pull hot air out and are too worried about getting cold air in.

I need to trim the fan cables. I chose to buy a power supply because of its silence rating: 0dBA - it's fanless, but it's non-modular. The case has built in cable management - as you can see the main power cable to the MB comes through a slot in the backplate. The loop at the top right is the power connector for a DVD-RAM drive waiting to be connected. When I get done the cables will be under control.

There are a 140 and a 120 mm intake fan in the front - one in front of the drive bay, one at the center, and in the rear, two 80mm exhaust fans above the PS, then one 120 mm behind the radiator. I can add another to the front of the radiator, but right now, with its side open, it's running at 28* C. with one Velociraptor, one SSD, and one DVD-DL.

I'm using on-chip graphics for now, and may add an Nvidia 8400 GS fanless PCI card if I decide to use this machine for PS as well as its intended use in a recording studio.


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Mar 22, 2012 19:45 |  #12

Hen3Ry wrote in post #14135310 (external link)
I'm using on-chip graphics for now, and may add an Nvidia 8400 GS fanless PCI card if I decide to use this machine for PS as well as its intended use in a recording studio.

So you dropped a few notes for a Porsche and you want to stick a Honda engine in it? :cry:

Get a used 8800GT/GTS if your going to travel back in time. Most tablets and some phones today have faster graphics chip then an 8400 GS. The 8400 is 1.8 Gpixels/second while the 8800GT is 9.6 Gpixels/second and most of the new smart phones coming out later this year will exceed 2.0 Gpixels/second.




  
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Mar 22, 2012 21:29 |  #13

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So you dropped a few notes for a Porsche and you want to stick a Honda engine in it? :cry:

Get a used 8800GT/GTS if your going to travel back in time. Most tablets and some phones today have faster graphics chip then an 8400 GS. The 8400 is 1.8 Gpixels/second while the 8800GT is 9.6 Gpixels/second and most of the new smart phones coming out later this year will exceed 2.0 Gpixels/second.

That's great, I suppose, but I'm not sure that CS5 gets that must benefit from a high end card. That is to say, I haven't seen any benefit from using a PCI-E 16 lane NVidia card in my Photoshop 9550 quad (on OS X) over this particular card, for example, especially in PS.

This machine is a Digital Audio WS that needs a fairly fast processor, fast memory and fast drives, and to be as quiet as possible. The only things that move on my screen are mixer levels and scrolling windows, unless I move them with my mouse.

However, if I find that this machine (which currently has only XP on it) does well with PS after I transfer my Windows 7 installation over to it, and I can support both music and photography adequately on the disk drives and OSs in one machine, I may upgrade to some sort of more advanced graphics. After all, I'm not using any of the five PCIe slots or the two PCI slots. And I've got an NVidia 9800 laying around here somewhere, and it would be nice to have only one machine - at least, economically.


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Mar 23, 2012 00:17 |  #14

Economically you can pick up an 8800GT used for just slightly above the cost of that substantially slower card. As long as it's not an overclock fan noise wont be much of an issue. When i push my system hard being it's highly OC'd it sounds like an airplane taking off but that's to be expected. You can always turn the fan down when needed using software like Afterburner. You also have a water cooler so you don't need the GPU fan which means you can have your cake and eat it too.




  
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