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OFFICIAL: Canon 1D X announced

 
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Mar 20, 2012 22:28 |  #3661

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #14121151 (external link)
NAND, the type most likely used inside the upcoming 1D X, is very cheap (and has never been cheaper) and is of a slower spec than what is found inside today's desktop computers. I don't think memory cost is the primary deciding factor for these decisions anymore.

Again, regardless of the chip price the labor and logistics of getting those chips on a micro board such as is found in cameras is more expensive. We're talking relative here and compared to the list price of the 5D3 and 1D X really insignificant but they will save a nickel per unit if they can even if it diminishes the performance if they think they can get away with it and this goes for all the manufacturers, not just Canon. A good example would be the plastic mounts on the lower end lenses. Just how much are they saving per unit, a few cents? Insignificant even on the cheapest lens, the nifty fifty at $110 or whatever it costs now. Nikon's 18-105 VR has a plastic mount and though it is included in kits if you buy it separately it is $400.


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Mar 20, 2012 22:45 |  #3662

K6AZ wrote in post #14123414 (external link)
Again, regardless of the chip price the labor and logistics of getting those chips on a micro board such as is found in cameras is more expensive. We're talking relative here and compared to the list price of the 5D3 and 1D X really insignificant but they will save a nickel per unit if they can even if it diminishes the performance if they think they can get away with it and this goes for all the manufacturers, not just Canon.

Yes, but the point is that a nickel per unit does not itself justify a $3000 per unit difference, or even a $500 per unit difference, in terms of sales price. The markup chain to the end buyer does not represent a 10,000 fold increase!

Meaning: you cannot justify the huge increase in price on the basis of the minuscule manufacturing cost increase involved. Yes, the market may bear the increased price, but that is not the same thing at all.


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Mar 20, 2012 23:31 |  #3663

kcbrown wrote in post #14123518 (external link)
Yes, but the point is that a nickel per unit does not itself justify a $3000 per unit difference, or even a $500 per unit difference, in terms of sales price. The markup chain to the end buyer does not represent a 10,000 fold increase!

Meaning: you cannot justify the huge increase in price on the basis of the minuscule manufacturing cost increase involved. Yes, the market may bear the increased price, but that is not the same thing at all.

You're certainly not going to get any argument out of me on Canon's insane pricing strategy.


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Mar 21, 2012 17:01 as a reply to  @ K6AZ's post |  #3664

This thread has really gone quite....
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everybody just waiting...


I'm still looking forward to that manual being posted somewhere, any hints??


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Mar 21, 2012 17:07 |  #3665

Candersson wrote in post #14127856 (external link)
This thread has really gone quite....
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everybody just waiting...


I'm still looking forward to that manual being posted somewhere, any hints??

Everyone's gone and picked up a 5D3 already. :lol:


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Mar 21, 2012 18:01 |  #3666

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Everyone's gone and picked up a 5D3 already. :lol:

Sure seems like it...
Not for me though, I'm holding on to the 5DII, at least for the time being :cool:

Well, this thread will have an injection as soon as we get a more specific date etc. ;)


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Mar 21, 2012 19:49 |  #3667

DxO has the Nikon D4 score rather high on their benchmark... whatever that means. But that does have me curious as to how the 1D X would measure up using those benchmarks. Ultimately, it's the photographer who makes the photos, not some silly numbers. But it is one way to qualify the technical points between the 1D X and its main/direct competitor. :)


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Mar 21, 2012 22:11 |  #3668

Now who's switching to 5D III ? :). Raise your hand :).


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Mar 21, 2012 22:14 |  #3669

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Now who's switching to 5D III ? :). Raise your hand :).

I just realized Canon announced this body over five months ago. In the meantime, they announced the 5D3 on March 2 and 19 days later people have them. If I had made plans around the 1D X I wouldn't be a happy camper, they have just now started to accept preorders on them.


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Mar 23, 2012 10:04 as a reply to  @ K6AZ's post |  #3670

Did you guys see the B&H video

5 stops iso improvement over the current 1DsMKIIIbw!

They cant get this thing here soon enough.. WOW

AF system looks insane. Want to see the difference B/t an 5D3 and the 1Dx,,,,look here

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Mar 23, 2012 10:12 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #3671

AF

spot,zone and expansion at the 37 minute mark. Pretty much the 7D system which is awesome. Looks like its been expanded .

I think they just sold me with this video. Called B&H,, still no ETA on shipping and stock. They are shipping a few from japan on their preorder list. My guess,,the people canon wants to get the reports out on the 1Dx out on are getting the cameras first.


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Mar 23, 2012 10:18 |  #3672

kcbrown wrote in post #14123518 (external link)
Yes, but the point is that a nickel per unit does not itself justify a $3000 per unit difference, or even a $500 per unit difference, in terms of sales price. The markup chain to the end buyer does not represent a 10,000 fold increase!

Meaning: you cannot justify the huge increase in price on the basis of the minuscule manufacturing cost increase involved. Yes, the market may bear the increased price, but that is not the same thing at all.

As long as it sells, it's justified. There's nothing more to it. Canon doesn't build cameras for charity. They put all of the effort and take all of the financial risk into hiring hundreds, maybe thousands, of people to research, prototype, create, market and support new products. If they could sell it for twice the price, they would.




  
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Mar 23, 2012 10:22 |  #3673

umphotography wrote in post #14138916 (external link)
Did you guys see the B&H video

5 stops iso improvement over the current 1DsMKIIIbw!

They cant get this thing here soon enough.. WOW

AF system looks insane. Want to see the difference B/t an 5D3 and the 1Dx,,,,look here

http://youtu.be/2WuUmb​AcK_c (external link)

Great Video! I'll sell my 5D Mark III's when the 1dx finally comes to market!

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Mar 23, 2012 12:15 |  #3674

here's some hope for 1dx f8 focus if canon decides not to support it officially....its done on a 5d3 but its af system is said to be somewhat similar to the 1dx with some exception obviously....

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Mar 23, 2012 14:03 as a reply to  @ flurofocus's post |  #3675

Just pre-ordered! :D


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