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Why the new Canon's 24-70L 2.8 II don't have IS

 
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Mar 24, 2012 04:03 |  #1

Quote from some guy back in 2008 for a Nikon lens...So How true is this? Let's discuss...

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The reason for not having VR in professional wide to mid lenses is very simple if you understand how VR works.

VR compensates for angular movement perpendicular to the optical axis of the lens.

It therefore works very well on long lenses where the angle of view is very narrow and close to the angle of the optical axis. Theoretically the the best result is achieved in the center of the image. With long lenses the difference of the angle from the optical axis to the light rays at the edges of the image is very small and therefore negligible for the VR compensating effect. The wider the angle of view is the less VR can compensate for the angular movement. For a wide lens you would in theory need to compensate differently for the sides of the image and the center rays and in addition have different compensation for all angles in between. This can not be done with the present VR technology.

When VR is applied to wide lenses the effect is therefore good in the very middle of the fame, but the quality of the image is degraded toward the edges. This may not be that important for casual snap shooters who do not have very high demands on image quality in the first place. Therefore VR may be included in cheaper wide lenses, but not in professional grade lenses where utmost performance is expected throughout the frame.

As we can see for instance from this thread, the typical buyers who do not know too much about the limitations of technology want to have VR on all lenses. The manufacturers naturally want to give these people what they want to gain additional sales.

If the lens is not stellar in the first place VR does not degrade edge perfomance that much. For photographers with poor handholding technique the results are seldom that good even in the center anyhow, so VR does not hurt that much.

But for the demanding photographer who wants the best results with the best lenses, VR on wide lenses does not make sense. If the lens is stable it is best, even on long lenses, not to have VR on because it also introduces an other source of optical error (no tecnology is perfect).

What is said about Nikon's VR above applies to other manufacturers lenses as well. The same principles hold thru for in camera vibration reduction; it compensates best only for one angle of incoming light to the sensor.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 04:28 |  #2

That's Canon's way of making for money. The next release will probably have it.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 05:46 |  #3

Interesting quote .. I find the IS on my 24-105 handy so I think it would be beneficial on a 24-70 focal length as well. But of course IS really shines on longer focal lengths .. on my 70-200 it's magic!


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Mar 24, 2012 06:28 |  #4

I call BS on that quote. Whatever error IS/VR is adding pales in comparison to hand shake. Even the best photographers in the world cannot hold a lens still enough that IS wouldn't help. I'm sorry, sounds like his bravado is getting the best of him.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 06:36 as a reply to  @ ettsn's post |  #5

Utter BS. Look at the 24-105L as an example.


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Mar 24, 2012 07:21 |  #6

Yep, Canon was just trying to keep the price down ;)


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Mar 24, 2012 07:39 |  #7

So the EFS 17-55 is for snapshooters only because it has IS. :(


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Mar 24, 2012 07:51 |  #8

Haha.. that's BS.


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Mar 24, 2012 08:03 as a reply to  @ nonick's post |  #9

So why can't the "demanding photographer" turn it off when he/she wants the best results ?

Yea that's a bunch of crap.


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Mar 24, 2012 08:05 |  #10

ettsn wrote in post #14144081 (external link)
I call BS on that quote. Whatever error IS/VR is adding pales in comparison to hand shake. Even the best photographers in the world cannot hold a lens still enough that IS wouldn't help. I'm sorry, sounds like his bravado is getting the best of him.

People have been doing it for years.....


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Mar 24, 2012 08:13 |  #11

so why then do the 17-55 and 15-85 and many others of IS?


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Mar 24, 2012 08:16 |  #12

^^^ Good question


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Mar 24, 2012 08:28 |  #13

Well seeing as it was released on the same day as these :
"Canon today also launches the new EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM and EF 28mm f/2.8 IS USM – the world's first 24mm and 28mm fixed wide-angle lenses to feature optical IS technology."
That ends the IS unsuitable for short focal lengths .

Could it be something about fitting all the parts inside the smaller package ?




  
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Mar 24, 2012 09:33 |  #14

Diver-Down wrote in post #14144298 (external link)
So why can't the "demanding photographer" turn it off when he/she wants the best results ?

Yea that's a bunch of crap.

Old school thinking?


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Mar 24, 2012 09:38 |  #15

Then why is in the new 24 and 28 primes? My guess it's size/weight and cost


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