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Is MA really needed?

 
BOTHsides
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Mar 24, 2012 10:23 |  #1

Hi. Have a 60D sitting here and.... BEFORE I open it and start shooting my brain is saying get the 7D so I have MA.

Lenses in near future:
70-200 f/4IS L
50mm 1.4
and some ungodly expensive L wider lens. (undecided)

Is the MA really needed, worth having with these lenses?

Thanks in advance!


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Mar 24, 2012 10:30 |  #2

For Canon lens, not as much. Canon could independently calibrate Canon DSLR bodies and Canon lens to get them close enough.

For non-Canon glass, MAF could be useful. Take a look at lensrental.com. As you go through the lens available for rent, there's occational comments on the usefulness of MAF.

Owning a 40D, I much prefer the controls of the 7D over the 60D, which I see as dumbed down to make room for the 7D. However, the 60D has that nice LCD and some other things going for it.

Personally unless you can get a great deal on a 7D, I'd stick to the 60D and move on. For the times focusing because hyper critcal, do manual focus. You can buy an Ef-S focus screen designed for fast glass.

If you are really obsessing about focus accuracy, I suggest you buy a Lens Align device and see how close you get with your 60D/lens combinations. It has the quickest method of ensuring proper test setup; its the bore-sight alignment to make sure your camera is perfectly perpendicular to the target and ruler. I tried it on my 40D with all of my lens and found that it was within one to three ticks from perfect. That's close enough, especially if I'm stopping down.


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Mar 24, 2012 11:00 |  #3

It's totally worth it. The difference between sharp images and almost sharp images. Unless you're lucky enough to have a body and lens(es) that "match" each other properly. Or, if you want to send them all off to Canon to get adjusted...


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Mar 24, 2012 11:04 |  #4

It all comes down to a question of confidence. If you don't trust and / or believe your gear is working as you believe it should, you'll never make an image you like.

Having said that, I've personally never MFA'd anything.

YMMV...


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Mar 24, 2012 11:14 |  #5

2 bodies with MFA, 8 lenses (not counting some) Only 2 did not need MFA, the MPE-65 - Not MFA-able as it has not AF and one other but I can't remember which right now. I think it was the 17-40 on mk 5DMkII but I'm not totally sure.

All the others benefited by some amount. Most are very slight +/-5 or less. One, the 100-400 needed +10.

Is it worth it? Well for the most part, the lenses that needed less than +/-5 probably not as the adjustment is pretty small and I rarely shoot wide open so the subjects fall within the DOF anyway. But for the 100-400 the difference was night and day. It was a soft copy on non-MFA bodies and now adjusted is one of the sharper lenses I have.

To give you an idea here is a pic of the 100-400. The left side shows the lens with no MFA. 100% crop. The image viewed normally looked pretty good. The right side is with a +10 applied. The image viewed normally looked much cleaner and sharper.

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Mar 24, 2012 11:16 |  #6

BOTHsides wrote in post #14144816 (external link)
70-200 f/4IS L
50mm 1.4
Is the MA really needed, worth having with these lenses?
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The type of Canon lens has nothing to do with the need for MA. Does your specific copy of the lens on your specific body need AF calibration? Each lens/body combination is different.

The only ones is not so critical to have MA is for manual focus lenses like Canon TSE or Zeiss ZE. There MA only affects focus confirm, a manual focus feature.


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Mar 24, 2012 11:26 |  #7

BOTHsides wrote in post #14144816 (external link)
Is the MA really needed?

No. But it is nice to have.

I have a 60D and none of my lenses would benefit from MA. Granted I don't go around shooting focusing chart I just shoot real life so focus on my lens could be a little off but in real life hooting I see no issues. Now that doesn't mean my next lens couldn't be far off that I would greatly benefit from MA.

In the end each lens and body from any company will have some sort of variation. The best way to make sure a lens is dead on to the body is to have it calibrated to the body.

So is MA needed? No.

Is it nice to have? Yes.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 11:58 |  #8

If you are fretting about the need for MA and you can afford the 7D, buy it. Otherwise you will have to live with your decision for some time, or send camera+lens(es) to Canon for adjustment.

That said, I only have an old EF lens which (may) need(s) adjustment. My next lens is likely to be a rather expensive L, so I might have to send the whole thing to Canon if I need to...

Does anybody know how much it costs (if camera or camera/lens are out of warranty).


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Mar 24, 2012 12:13 |  #9

Shooting landscapes at f/11 it ain't needed but shooting primes at f/1.4 then yes it can be beneficial :)


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Mar 24, 2012 14:06 |  #10

Its pretty worthless on zooms.




  
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Mar 24, 2012 14:30 |  #11

I have probably 15 - 16 lenses and have never micro adjusted any of them.


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Mar 24, 2012 16:33 |  #12

Daship wrote in post #14145746 (external link)
Its pretty worthless on zooms.

I guess that you didn't notice post #5, above?


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Mar 24, 2012 17:27 |  #13

Daship wrote in post #14145746 (external link)
Its pretty worthless on zooms.

What about post #5 ?


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Mar 24, 2012 17:47 |  #14

It's a zoom.


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Mar 24, 2012 17:49 |  #15

As the owner of several zooms and MFA I disagree that MFA is worthless on zooms. I agree that it is much better on primes, or I should say easier to adjust as there is only one focal leangth to worry about, but if the zoom is fairly linear to begin with, that is that the focus does not significantly change from near limit to far limit, then it works just as well as on a prime.

What can happen is that on some lenses the focus is not linear at all. The MFA amount needed on each end can be different. A lens like this I would send in anyway for calibration but if its just a small amount, then I would adjust for the focal length most commonly used, or if its say a +8 and a +10, split the difference.


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