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Is there another camera on the market that has the ISO capabilities of the 5D mkiii ?

 
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Mar 27, 2012 23:18 |  #1

I would guess I am advanced amateur. So I have never handled the 1D mkiv or a 1Ds. I am very fortunate enough to afford a 5d mkiii this year, and am blown away by it. It may be just me, but I think the higher ISO just kills my 7d. Does anyone have experience with the new 5D, and Canon's other top of the line models? How do they compare to each other? Are the ISO capabilities fairly equal, or is it new technology that makes the 5Diii's high ISO's usable. These questions would also help potential buyers who is choosing from the 1D and 5d lines, from a image quality only stand point.

This shot was taken in near darkness, It is noisy at 100% crop, but its perfectly fine for printing or web use. it was a lot darker than what appears, and still got the focus( a little slower though). Taken at f2.8 ISO 25,600. I bet a f1.2 or f1.4 is amazingly good. I dont think my 7d could come close to this quality in near darkness.

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Mar 27, 2012 23:24 |  #2

I think the only camera that might best the 5D3 is the 1DX. Unfortunately there aren't any high ISO raw files to evaluate.




  
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Mar 28, 2012 05:05 |  #3

jeffreynmandy wrote in post #14166549 (external link)
I would guess I am advanced amateur. So I have never handled the 1D mkiv or a 1Ds. I am very fortunate enough to afford a 5d mkiii this year, and am blown away by it. It may be just me, but I think the higher ISO just kills my 7d. Does anyone have experience with the new 5D, and Canon's other top of the line models? How do they compare to each other? Are the ISO capabilities fairly equal, or is it new technology that makes the 5Diii's high ISO's usable. These questions would also help potential buyers who is choosing from the 1D and 5d lines, from a image quality only stand point.

This shot was taken in near darkness, It is noisy at 100% crop, but its perfectly fine for printing or web use. it was a lot darker than what appears, and still got the focus( a little slower though). Taken at f2.8 ISO 25,600. I bet a f1.2 or f1.4 is amazingly good. I dont think my 7d could come close to this quality in near darkness.

My son watching TV on the couch.

no, but I am only an "enthusiast" and as such use a flash for near total darkness pics




  
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Mar 28, 2012 05:17 |  #4

holy cow that is amazing for ISO 25,600


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Mar 28, 2012 05:20 |  #5

Probably only really the Nikon D4 but it's much more expensive.


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Mar 28, 2012 05:38 |  #6

I made a shootout between my 3 Canond DSLR's (5D3, 5D2 and 7D) on ISO 1600, 3200 and 6400.
Took one pic each on each ISO speed with the same settings with the same lens and same (mediocre) lighting.

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5D3 better than 5D2 increasingly with ISO speed, obvious at 6400
5D3 better than 7D but 7D holds up fine until 1600

Another observation, 5D3 exposed higher than 5D2 at all same settings, same lens and light, more honest ISO thus. When compensating for that in raw development the difference became more ovious. I used Lightroom for raw handling having converted the 5D3 pics to DNG first.

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Mar 28, 2012 06:53 |  #7

watt100 wrote in post #14167322 (external link)
no, but I am only an "enthusiast" and as such use a flash for near total darkness pics

I am reminded of an interview with a well known photog many years ago on the debate of use of available light only.

He responded to a question in this manner....

" Oh to be sure, I only use available light. If there is a flash unit in my bag, then it is available and I use it. So to that end, my flash unit is 'available light' . "




  
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Mar 28, 2012 07:08 |  #8

nicksan wrote in post #14166568 (external link)
I think the only camera that might best the 5D3 is the 1DX. Unfortunately there aren't any high ISO raw files to evaluate.

With your d3s experience, how does this compare?


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Mar 28, 2012 07:18 |  #9

BugEyes wrote in post #14167377 (external link)
Another observation, 5D3 exposed higher than 5D2 at all same settings, same lens and light, more honest ISO thus.

Good point. I noticed the same thing. I usually shoot about 1 stop to the right on my 7D and 1dsII, so naturally I did the same with the 5d3, and noticed that they were overexposed compared to the other bodies. No more shoot the right for this guy.


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Mar 28, 2012 09:28 |  #10

jase1125 wrote in post #14167562 (external link)
With your d3s experience, how does this compare?

When I do a simple downsizing of the 5D3 files to 12MP (4256 pixels on the long side) and compare the noise levels, they look very similar with the slight edge going to the D3s, and I mean very slight. I did this with the Imaging Resource studio reference shots and also did an informal comparison with my own D3s files. Also, my impression is that the D4 is no better than the D3s in terms of noise.

As I mentioned before, there's too little on the 1DX to determine where it stands...




  
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Mar 28, 2012 09:46 |  #11

watt100 wrote in post #14167322 (external link)
no, but I am only an "enthusiast" and as such use a flash for near total darkness pics

Using a flash for that shot would have taken away from the setting, and would have hurt his eyes. He didn't even know I took the picture.

There are many situations where you don't want or can't use a flash.


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Mar 28, 2012 10:17 |  #12

I believe from what I've seen that D800 will be equivalent if downsized to match resolution.


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Mar 28, 2012 11:46 |  #13

jeffreynmandy wrote in post #14168305 (external link)
Using a flash for that shot would have taken away from the setting, and would have hurt his eyes. He didn't even know I took the picture.

There are many situations where you don't want or can't use a flash.

Well, given there's nothing of interest in the background, and if this were a photo that I knew I wanted to keep, then I would have bounced the flash off a wall or ceiling.

Would have been at like 1/60 ISO1600-3200 to suck some of the ambient lighting in.

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Mar 28, 2012 11:53 |  #14

D4 and D3s both seem to have better hi-iso capabilities in my eyes but the 5d3 is very nice, at ISO 12800 is looks like my 1ds2 at 3200.


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Mar 29, 2012 09:47 |  #15

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I'm confused...if it's taken in near darkness where is the shine on the couch and the shadow of his arm and head coming from?

If you used a flash, then it's not near darkness and the high ISO test is flawed.


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