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Mar 28, 2012 20:26 |  #46

mjmackinnon wrote in post #14171847 (external link)
...I am curious. Do you also recommend spending the $100 for a SanDisk 90mb/s CF card, or would you say buy a $25 no name? Where do you draw the line on spending the money? What is the use of having great glass if you loose your photo's?? But what is the likelihood of that? What about the guy who spent a week on an exotic island and shot 1000 photo's on his sandisk card, and accidentally dropped it on the dock getting into the float plane...

Just wonder when was the last time your memory card failure?

I'm using SanDisk and no name cards all time; SanDisk is faster; but all cards are working well regardless their price.


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Mar 28, 2012 20:31 |  #47

5D I just love the smoothness of the full frame pictures.




  
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Mar 28, 2012 20:32 |  #48

mjmackinnon wrote in post #14170738 (external link)
I don't see the big deal with everyone saying that you have to have better lenses. I think it's turned into a mantra that is just said even though it doesn't mean anything. I have seen fantastic photographs from old camera's with regular lenses.

I've spent money buying more expensive glass and it didn't make a hoot of difference between the shots I was taking with my old camera with it's kit 18-200 lens. In fact some of my best photo's came from that lens.

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I hope you seen shots from something like 300/400mmf 2.8 IS.:D Sports heck I will take old 1dmk2 with one of the superteles unless I was shooting night time high school football. I will even take supertele with 1dmk2 and use flash than any recent bodies and cheapy lenses.


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Mar 28, 2012 20:32 |  #49

x_tan wrote in post #14171880 (external link)
Just wonder when was the last time your memory card failure?

As a matter of fact, it was barely 2 months ago that I lost all of the shots from an architectural shoot because a no-name SD card that failed on me.


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Mar 28, 2012 20:42 as a reply to  @ post 14171706 |  #50

i need help choosing which one to get, im mainly looking at the video mode of the camera(shortfilm making/video making) lets say i have 10000usd to spend on camera ecuipments. So i can get the 5d mk3 whit the 24-105mm f/4L IS USM AF Lens for 5500usd, or i could get the 7D whit a EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens for 2300usd, after i have bought the camera i need to get all the rest of the equiments for short fiml making props, makeup, camera stuff, sound recorder and all thats stuff. so what do you guys recomend??

and please dont be hating the prices i put up, they are that much where i come from(and im also looking at the possibility at ordering it just online, but ive heard the toll takes a big hit on camera stuff...)


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Mar 28, 2012 20:44 |  #51

krb wrote in post #14171927 (external link)
As a matter of fact, it was barely 2 months ago that I lost all of the shots from an architectural shoot because a no-name SD card that failed on me.

Sorry to hear that.

I read somewhere that memory card has limited write cycles; but most users will never reach that limit.


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Mar 28, 2012 20:47 |  #52

gintasr wrote in post #14169835 (external link)
I think the opposite. I'd rather have average glass and full frame rather than excellent glass and a crummy sensor.

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Mar 28, 2012 22:05 |  #53

thedcmule2 wrote in post #14171440 (external link)
Why? FF is better quality on any mediocre glass. The proof is in every 7D and 5DII/III thread. This logic is awkward...for the OP sure go with the 7D combo since youre not a pro or aspiring to be one or if money is tight. But IQ wise good glass on a 7D crop sensor is just jokes. I use 24L and 50L on my 60D...no quality difference from the non-L versions. Full-frame = better, period. Youd take a 7D any day? 5D3 on a $100 50mm 1.8 will destroy the IQ of a 7D with L glass. Do the tests firsthand before you decide, dont base it on forum posts.

This. 7D or not, the crop sensor is crummy unless youve never seen a 5D2/3 photo. Sure it's decent during daytime at low ISO but damn near every camera nowadays is. Once the sun starts going down you're gonna go home? Nah I plan to shoot more ;)

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Mar 28, 2012 22:49 |  #54

I got the Canon 7D + Canon 5D. Saved me USD1000 :)
love the 5D to the max. I have the versatility to switch to crop sensor if i ever need the range too.
I used both the camera to shoot for sports games:

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Mar 29, 2012 00:04 |  #55

robbimagg wrote in post #14171987 (external link)
i need help choosing which one to get, im mainly looking at the video mode of the camera(shortfilm making/video making) lets say i have 10000usd to spend on camera ecuipments. So i can get the 5d mk3 whit the 24-105mm f/4L IS USM AF Lens for 5500usd, or i could get the 7D whit a EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens for 2300usd, after i have bought the camera i need to get all the rest of the equiments for short fiml making props, makeup, camera stuff, sound recorder and all thats stuff. so what do you guys recomend??

and please dont be hating the prices i put up, they are that much where i come from(and im also looking at the possibility at ordering it just online, but ive heard the toll takes a big hit on camera stuff...)

I'm not a video guy so take what I say regarding video with a grain of salt. That said.. I believe the talented boys and girls at Magic Lantern have made quite the software update for the 5D2. If anything, I would probably look at picking up the 5D2 and installing Magic Lantern firmware which, I believe, is still superior to what Canon has provided by default for the 5D3. That way, you'll easily save at least $1500 towards more gear for your video.

IMO, the main reasons you'd want to pick a 5D3 over a 5D2 are:
1) You're primary a stills photographer (wedding/events/some sports even) that you can really benefit from the newest 61-point advanced AF.
2) You regularly shoot iso6400 AND higher because your venues require you to.
3) You absolutely need/want the 2-storage card slots and intend to use it for backing up your paid images so that should a storage card fail, at least you have copies of the images on the other card.

Otherwise, the 5D2 can do just about everything the 5D3 can (up to iso6400). With the Magic Lantern firmware, you can do amazing things/controls w/ the video (say.. even shoot a little known movie called Act of Valor).

If you're really on a budget and primarily thinking about video, don't rule out 60D and T3i either. Flippy screen, better audio controls than the 7D even (which has no audio control). (I don't know if Magic Latern guys made anything to support the 7D either.)


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Mar 29, 2012 00:38 |  #56

robbimagg wrote in post #14171987 (external link)
i need help choosing which one to get, im mainly looking at the video mode of the camera(shortfilm making/video making)

Have you considered the Panasonic GH2? I'm not a video guy but I've read in several places that video guys are really big on that camera.


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Mar 29, 2012 02:47 |  #57

Was the question ever answered in the OP? :confused:

I have the 7D with the following lenses:
- 70-200 f/2.8L II
- 17-55 f/2.8IS

I shoot mainly sports (hockey/football), love doing it. That being said, I'm ready to make the jump. Will the 5d III be a better than decent sports camera or is it still just a good to excellent wedding/portrait camera?

If the 5D III will more than holds it's own in the sports world, then I can see myself graduating to the 300 2.8 II lens sometime in the fall if I start putting in some overtime at work. That may be more or less wishful thinking on my part but it's good to dream.

I'm hoping that the 5D III will be what I need it to be for sports because trying to swing the 1DX will slow me down for a year or so on any additional items.




  
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Mar 29, 2012 03:24 |  #58

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because I bought into the hype. I had a 50D, then got a used 100-400L. The 70-200 was just too good an offer to pass up. ($400).

I promised myself that I wanted a full frame camera, and the focus system on the 50D was just too limiting for shooting my daughter dancing, and her sports. So I bought the 5D3 kit. But then I have the money and I don't need to ask for justification to buy it.

I am curious. Do you also recommend spending the $100 for a SanDisk 90mb/s CF card, or would you say buy a $25 no name? Where do you draw the line on spending the money? What is the use of having great glass if you loose your photo's?? But what is the likelihood of that? What about the guy who spent a week on an exotic island and shot 1000 photo's on his sandisk card, and accidentally dropped it on the dock getting into the float plane.

The best camera is the one that you own. You can forever keep up with the Jones. If it's not a new lens, then your computer is too slow for the latest version of Photoshop with plug ins from every company out there promising they can improve your photo's and make you look like a super star.

I have two 32gb Transcend 400x CF cards. I decided to buy Transcend because I previously owned a 16gb 100x card and that never failed on me. I don't remember how much I paid for it but I think it was in the neighborhood of $50-ish for the 32gb cards. Works great.

As the OP specifically asked to go with the 5D3 or 7D, which gives the approximate budget of $3500 (for body alone), $4300 for kit lens, it's pretty clear that he's considering between 5D3 or 7D for camera body. So it's not incorrect for many to suggest going with a less-stellar camera body, but better lens(es), versus using that same budget and having the "newest" camera body, but so-so/bad lenses.

Because while the camera body will be changed roughly every 3 years, assuming additional features and advances in AF/iso... the lenses retain their resale value for much, MUCH longer. In 3 years, that moderately used 5D3 (originally $3500) will likely be sold on the used market for probably $2500. In 3 years, that 70-200/2.8ii (originally $2499) will sell used for $2000-$2100. In 6 years, the 5D3 will sell for ~$1500. That 6 year old 70-200/2.8ii (will likely sell used for... $2000-$2100).

Expensive/good Lenses are rarely sold, but that's because their quality hold up over time regardless of what body you mount to. Camera bodies are replaced (either due to gear lust or by need), and their value continue to depreciate.

Which is why the old adage of "glass before camera" has been hammered home over and over again on POTN and probably every other photography public forum. In this scenario, we would not be recommending the best camera body, we're recommending a better lens. But it all depends on the OP and his budget and existing lens line-up. If he's already got great lenses, then the choice is rather obvious to go with the 5D3. But I'm assuming if that was true... then the OP wouldn't really be asking the question. :D


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Mar 29, 2012 03:36 |  #59

krb wrote in post #14170917 (external link)
Exactly.

For example:

5DIII with Canon 24-105 kit. $4300

7D with Canon 70-200 f/2.8 non-IS and Canon 24-70 f/2.8. $4150

what if u already have the 70-200 f2.8 mk2 lens like me?

am i better of getting the 5d3 with 24-105 kit lens?


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Mar 29, 2012 03:38 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #60

^ I must be mad to get T2i after 5D2 :cool:


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