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Honest opinion about the Rebels and 60D...

 
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Mar 30, 2012 10:40 as a reply to  @ post 14180569 |  #61

I used a rebel xt for 6 yrs then picked up a 60d. The rebel worked great and was dropped from 3-4 ft a couple times. It survived with no damage and was working fine when I sold it. The button layout on the 60d is nice and convenient. Odds are you won't be maxing out the capabilities of any camera you purchase. I know the rebel or 60d isn't the weak link in my photography/




  
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Mar 30, 2012 11:28 |  #62

60d ergonomics > all...other than the missing joystick. There's a reason everyone with one loves it. The 18-135mm lens isn't the best though, the 18-55mm IS rebel kit lens is better. For best results 17-55m ~


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Mar 30, 2012 11:40 |  #63

woos wrote in post #14180994 (external link)
60d ergonomics > all...other than the missing joystick. There's a reason everyone with one loves it. The 18-135mm lens isn't the best though, the 18-55mm IS rebel kit lens is better. For best results 17-55m ~


Agree on the 18-135, although its an OK lens. I only mentioned it above with regard to kit prices since it is often sold with the 60D. Now if they sold a well priced 60D kit with a 17-55mm or a 15-85 those would be an excellent combos.


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Mar 30, 2012 11:47 |  #64

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To give an opinion.

Like the old saying goes, Opinions are like ass holes. Everyone has one and most of then stink...

So my opinion?

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Mar 30, 2012 11:52 |  #65

"Polarized" is in here so much and so fast its like a chat room...




  
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Mar 30, 2012 11:55 |  #66

The fact is that the 60D was a downgrade in terms of 'pro' feel. The 50D is more obviously designed for professional use.

No swivel screen on the 50D - a lot of people like this, but I personally dislike this
Magnesium body - the differences in feel and durability might be debatable but it shows a step backwards in quality. In my opinion, holding metal also just feels better. I can absolutely tell the difference. You touch the camera at more than just the right hand grip.
Joystick - hate the fiddly d-pad that's in the center of the scroll wheel on the 60D
Microadjust - crucial pro feature
Two custom mode settings - useful for me, as I have two different profiles set up that I always have ready

That being said, the real-world differences between the two aren't large. Of course the 60D is newer and thus has improved sensor performance, but the benefits of that is marginal I would say, having used a T2i and 50D extensively. Mostly I'm noticing a 'split' of the APS-C cameras... the 60D is a very marginal 'downgrade' in 'pro' feel to make more room for the 7D's market. It's definitely more of a segue camera.




  
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Mar 30, 2012 13:15 as a reply to  @ h4ppydaze's post |  #67

The 60D offers professional style control features within the budget of the average amateur. It was never intended to be a "professional" grade camera. Even the 7D isn't really more than prosumer. Despite that, there are a lot of pros using both quite successfully.

Those who so rabidly denigrate the 60D are either so set in their ways that they can no longer adapt to change, or (as in many cases) they've never really tried one. Just because some things are different from the 40D, 50D, doesn't make it a downgrade - it just makes it different. For those of us without previous experience, it's clearly an upgrade from where most of us came from, be that Rebel or even lower. We are absolutely thrilled with the 60D, and the 60D thread supports that contention. It is the busiest body thread on POTN.

I have to say that these same complaints come in nearly every area of interest. My other hobby is golf, and every year when the new product lines come out, the complaints begin. It doesn't matter if it's a new ball, new driver, new iron model, or new bag. Half of the players who owned the previous version will find fault with the new one, the other half, as well as those just buying for the first time, will sing its praises.

The only answer in either is, if you don't like the new offering, keep what you have or find something else that suits your perceived needs. The 60D suits my needs to a "T".


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Mar 30, 2012 13:20 |  #68

Preeb hits the nail on the head. When the 60D first came out, I'll admit I wasn't enthusiastic about the swivel screen. But about a year later when I was ready to upgrade, I did a thorough eval of what bodies were available, up to about $1,200. I ended up going with the 60D, and I'm tickled with it.

Not to worry anyway, these bodies will continue to be upgraded, whether we like it or not. I'd love if my 60D had geo-tagging. The day will come when camera bodies with Wifi will be the norm, not the exception. And who knows what else. No one's being forced to buy anything they don't want.




  
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Mar 30, 2012 13:34 |  #69

They are all good... It's a matter of preference, type of shooting, pro vs hobby and $$$. Get some good glass and if you buy a body used or refurbished, you can always sell it for the same or close to what you paid for it if you're not comfortable or happy with it. Then try something else.

I went from the 30d to 7d and happy. Considered the 60d heavily, but felt for my needs/wants the 7d was the one to get. Picked up refurbished through CLP and have no regrets. With that said, my intentions were to buy a 5d mkii via CLP back when it was offered. They kept selling out, so I went with the 7d. With the release of the mark iii, if I pull the trigger and not happy with it, I'll sell it here. Same for the 7d if I'm happy with it.

This hobby can be expensive, but you have to choose what works for you and what you're happy with.


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Mar 30, 2012 14:27 |  #70

Polarized wrote in post #14178208 (external link)
I wouldn't buy a 60D to be honest, it is a downgrade from the 50D. I'm waiting for 30mp camera..

The 60D is a great all-purpose photography tool—a jack of all trades, master of none. Canon made this camera so it would create a happy medium between the Rebel series and the 7D, and they did a great job.

You can buy one through CLP for $640 pre-tax with free shipping, so please, let's not talk about it being $1,000. Only a stone fool would pay that much for it if they didn't have to.

If you want a 7D, get a 7D. It is the natural progression of the 50D.

People who wanted to graduate to something a little more substantial than a Rebel, those are who the 60D is aimed at. Buy the product that best fits your needs.

The amount of XXD owners who bag on the 60D is short of amazing. The 60D produces better low-light images, has a better sensor, produces HD video with stereo sound, has better LCD, has better battery life, and has more MP than any XXD produced before it. IF this isn't worth about $700 through the CLP, I really don't know what is.

Switching over from Nikon, I didn't miss the joystick. Only XXD owners complain about this. Going from 6.3 to 5.3 fps was a byproduct of the 3MP jump, going by the explanation of some pros we've heard from. As someone who shoots sports for a publication about 70% of the time, the 60D is more than capable as a sports shooter. For the money, only a used 1Dii would be better.

60D owners are a pretty happy group. We all bought our cameras for different reasons. Why did you buy your 50D? Further, are you trolling here just for a reaction out of all the 60D owners?

If this camera were better, it would not only cost more but it would compete directly with the 7D—if you want a 7D, buy a 7D on the CLP for $1089 pre-tax.


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Mar 30, 2012 14:29 |  #71

Preeb wrote in post #14181601 (external link)
The 60D offers professional style control features within the budget of the average amateur. It was never intended to be a "professional" grade camera. Even the 7D isn't really more than prosumer. Despite that, there are a lot of pros using both quite successfully.

Those who so rabidly denigrate the 60D are either so set in their ways that they can no longer adapt to change, or (as in many cases) they've never really tried one. Just because some things are different from the 40D, 50D, doesn't make it a downgrade - it just makes it different. For those of us without previous experience, it's clearly an upgrade from where most of us came from, be that Rebel or even lower. We are absolutely thrilled with the 60D, and the 60D thread supports that contention. It is the busiest body thread on POTN.

I have to say that these same complaints come in nearly every area of interest. My other hobby is golf, and every year when the new product lines come out, the complaints begin. It doesn't matter if it's a new ball, new driver, new iron model, or new bag. Half of the players who owned the previous version will find fault with the new one, the other half, as well as those just buying for the first time, will sing its praises.

The only answer in either is, if you don't like the new offering, keep what you have or find something else that suits your perceived needs. The 60D suits my needs to a "T".

Well said, preeb.


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Mar 30, 2012 16:19 |  #72
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Just want to say that people who think I'm trolling are sad, and need lives. Never the less I never intended to troll but it almost makes me wish I had.




  
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Mar 30, 2012 16:50 |  #73
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mwsilver wrote in post #14178123 (external link)
I own a 60D. I had the chance of buying a 50D and bypassed it. I have no idea why the OP would think the 50D feels better in the hand than a very solid 60D. Other owners of both have indicated that there is no way the 60D feels like a cheap plastic toy compared to the 50D. Many people get way too hung up on the mag shell thing. It should be function over form, not form over function.

Other the the nice to have micro focus adjust feature, and perhaps the joy stick, the 60D equals or betters the 50D in every way and adds some significant new features, The 50D is really a terrific camera, but the 60D is, in almost all respects, an appropriate upgrade, not a downgrade. For me it was an easy decision.

I believe that the 7D would have been a better upgrade choice from a 50D than the 60D, but I would have felt exactly the same way even if Canon had not redesigned the form factor. The only reason so many people upgraded from the 40D to the 50D when it came out was because the 7D simply didn't exist yet.

I'll bet if the 60D had a mag body, people who currently criticize it would be falling over all themselves to praise it to the hilt. They need to be educated about the strength and reliability ans appropriateness of high quality polycarbonates. Someday, in the not too distant future, probably all cameras will be made of this material and the arguments will end.

You got one thing right. 60d is not an upgrade to 50d, is a upgrade to a rebel series. True upgrade to 50d is 7d.


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Mar 30, 2012 17:44 |  #74

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #14182670 (external link)
You got one thing right. 60d is not an upgrade to 50d, is a upgrade to a rebel series. True upgrade to 50d is 7d.

Its definitely an upgrade to the 50D to all except for the polycarbonateafobes among us (my own word). However it just not a big enough upgrade and 50D owners would get more from upgrading to a 7D. Its not dissimilar to the decision to upgrade from a 40D to a 50D a few years back That decision was easier because there was no 7D at the time. Had there been, the 50D would not have developed its almost mythical reputation.

The results from a 50D are simply a step behind the 60D (perhaps a small step). Those who dislike the 60D do it over form. But from a functional point of view, micro focus adjustment aside, the 60D is just a more advanced and better camera in a number of significant ways as most reviews have shown. Its always being criticized because it contains stellar video quality which the 50D crowd sees as unimportant. So be it. But I never see anyone criticizing the 5D II and III or the 7D for their video capabilities. They put down the 5.3 fps as opposed to the 6.3 of the 50D, when it is well known that the slower speed is directly related to the increase to 18MP. The list goes on. I get it. People who owned a 50D are just pissed that the 60D's form factor changed. They need to get over it. The 60D is a terrific piece of hardware at a great price.


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Mar 30, 2012 19:17 |  #75

Lol, looks like moderators agree that Polarized was a troll.


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