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skgn1212
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Apr 05, 2012 12:09 |  #1

Just moved from a T2i to a gripped 5D1 with roughly 18,000 shots, and looking for some cheap lenses to get my feet wet in full-frame for an upcoming trip to the Dominican Republic. In the past I have primarily shot portraits either with natural light or radio-triggered manual speedlights (ala strobist)

The only usable full-frame lens I own is a Canon 50mm 1.8 II. I say "usable" as I picked up a mold-filled Tamron AF 200-400/5.6 for pennies thinking I would one-day send it for cleaning, but never did for fear the cost and result wouldn't be worthwhile.

I would likely purchase 2 zooms if I had more money (24-105/4, 70-200/4) or cash to burn (24-70/2.8 II, 70-200/2.8 is II), but as it is, I cannot afford that route.

Instead, I am currently considering secondhand:
$200 - Canon 28-135 (Walkaround)
$250 - Canon 24/2.8 (Wide Angle)
$350 - Canon 85/1.8 (Normal, Low-Light - to join my 50 1.8)
$400 - Canon 100/2.8 Macro (Short Tele, Macro)

1) Should I buy a Canon 28-135 for convenience at least for my trip? I know the 5Dc has no sensor cleaning capability, so I fear dust with changing my lenses in the Dominican. 28mm should be sharp and wide enough to capture stopped-down tripod stills of the old city right? My 50 can handle low-light and portraits, and although 135 won't be long enough for wildlife, maybe I can catch a few candids.

2) Later on, should I drop the extra $100 or so to get the USM version of the 100mm macro so it is more useful for portraits, or is the non-usm fine?

3) Is the 85mm necessary? Its so close to my 50mm, as well as the 100 in focal length. Any other decent, budget lenses i'm missing?

4) Finally, what kind of hiking backpack do you suggest that can accomodate a laptop, as well as a light stand that collapses to 20"? I say "accomodate" meaning if it can't fit in, at least it can strap on securely and unobtrusively.




  
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Apr 05, 2012 12:26 |  #2

I have a copy of the 28-135 that came with my 40D kit. While it would give you good range on full frame, it just isn't a great lens. I am hardly an expert on full frame, but the 17-40L gets lots of praise and there have been some great prices on this site. Also, there have been plenty of used 24-105L used lenses on here too. I would much rather have that than the four you listed. You could then build your collection of the 17-40 or the 24-105.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:31 |  #3

The Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 is a pretty amazing value. I bought mine used for about $300. As far as the dust issue, if you shoot at f/5.6 or wider (f/4, f/2.8) you probably won't see any dust. Shooting at f/8 or f/11 will show dust if there is any.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:36 |  #4

I would look for:

Standard zoom : Tamron 28-75 or Sigma 24-70 (non HSM) or Sigma 24-60
Telephoto: Canon 70-200 F4L or Tamron 70-300 VC
Low light standard: Keep your 50mm
Portrait/Macro: Tamron 90mm, Canon 100mm, Sigma 105mm, Tokina 100mm (Tamron 90 has an older really ugly version that sometimes goes for under $250 but is the same optics)

I doubt you need both 85 AND 100mm primes, especially if you are on a budget. If you are into macro, just get a cheaper 90-105mm macro and it will do great portraits. Remember that f2.8 will provide BG blur like a f1.8 on your t2i. A 100mm f2.8 will be like a 62mm f1.8 on APS-C and your 50mm f1.8 will be like a 32mm 1.2.

The 28mm f2.8 is an alright lens, but it is not much cheaper and not really sharper than those cheaper f2.8 zooms I recommended above. I'd rather have a full zoom for $100 more than a prime at the same aperture. But if you want a smaller kit, those small primes are nice.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:37 |  #5

I had a 28-135 I got with my 40D kit.
When I traded my old XTI + $200 for a 5Dc I through that lens in with it.
The buyer was shocked, but I never used it and didn't want it sitting around.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:38 |  #6

I just jumped to full frame from a crop and am in the processing of buying the following setup:

Tamron 17-35: $250 - awful corner performance but not too bad at f/5.6. I figure i'll use this on a tripod stopped down most of the time anyways, so its a nice alternative to the 17-40 (which apparently isn't fantastic wide open either).

Tamron 28-75 f2.8 - $300 - Normal zoom

Tamron 70-300 VC

Canon 50mm 1.8 or 85mm 1.8 - I like the focal length and size of the 50 but the build and af of the 85...not sure which one I will keep since the 85 is probably still useful for portraits.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:42 |  #7

The Tamron 28-75 is a good one. I'm keeping it even though I have a 35L and 135L on the way. It works good for product pics for me and actually makes a good portrait lens. It's plenty sharp.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:43 |  #8

abjam77 wrote in post #14215083 (external link)
Tamron 17-35: $250 - awful corner performance but not too bad at f/5.6. I figure i'll use this on a tripod stopped down most of the time anyways, so its a nice alternative to the 17-40 (which apparently isn't fantastic wide open either).
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Those aren't too bad really. Is it the f2.8-4 version? Also Tokina and Tamron made 19-35's that go for like $100-150 and are quite good stopped down.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:54 |  #9

Yeah, the 2.8-4 version. Same very non-scientific samples

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It's much sharper at f5.6 and f8 though

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Apr 05, 2012 12:56 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #10

Sounds like no love for the Canon 28-135...i thought that would be an easy option to start with, but noone seems to be weighing in positively.

I had not considered the Sigma 24-70 non-hsm which sounds interesting, but I heard the Tamron 28-75 is quite soft in the corners which is a concern.

I do think a Tamron 70-300 VC would be a nice option for telephoto tho, and priced right as well.

The 17-40L may be a bit too much considering I work more with full-body to shoulder-height portraits than landscapes. A wide angle is really just a temporary concern regarding my upcoming trip, which is why I think a 24-xx would be more appropriate for me if I must go with a zoom.




  
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Apr 05, 2012 13:20 |  #11

skgn1212 wrote in post #14215158 (external link)
Sounds like no love for the Canon 28-135...i thought that would be an easy option to start with, but noone seems to be weighing in positively.

I had not considered the Sigma 24-70 non-hsm which sounds interesting, but I heard the Tamron 28-75 is quite soft in the corners which is a concern.

I do think a Tamron 70-300 VC would be a nice option for telephoto tho, and priced right as well.

The 17-40L may be a bit too much considering I work more with full-body to shoulder-height portraits than landscapes. A wide angle is really just a temporary concern regarding my upcoming trip, which is why I think a 24-xx would be more appropriate for me if I must go with a zoom.

I agree on the 28-135. The 28-135 kit lens that came with my 40D was so bad I almost returned the camera thinking it was not at all a step up from my Canon ELPH point and shoot. The IQ was actually worse! The Canon 17-55 changed all that though!!

Tamorn 70-300 VC is an EXCELLENT value. very sharp and the VC works well. Best of all it costs like $400 new, less used and comes with a really long warranty (7 years I think)

For wide angle look for a used copy of the samyang/bower/ pro optic/ rokinon/ etc 14mm f2.8. This lens offers excellent corner to corner sharpness and it is so wide that manual focus is a breeze. Just set the lens at about 5-6 feet on the distance scale and everything from about 3 feet to infinity is in sharp focus.


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Apr 05, 2012 14:02 |  #12

skgn1212 wrote in post #14215158 (external link)
I had not considered the Sigma 24-70 non-hsm which sounds interesting, but I heard the Tamron 28-75 is quite soft in the corners which is a concern.

A lot of lenses are soft in the corners at max aperture on FF, especially cheaper ones. Even the 17-40L has complaints in that regard. The 28-75 has bad corners at f2.8, but from f4+ it is very sharp. At least according to slrgear: http://www.slrgear.com …amron28-75/ff/tloader.htm (external link)

If you want sharp corner to corner at wide apertures on FF, you are probably going to have to go with something from Zeiss! :)

The Sigma 24-70 is not really any better. It's a lot heavier and goes to 24mm. That's the main diff.


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Apr 05, 2012 18:17 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #13

I used to have cheap 19-35 on 5Dc. Colors were terribly dull. Constant disappointment. Nothing to compare to 17_40, I switched after, but resolution feels to be about the same.
Regarding 28-75 2.8, I take it as the only lens often. My copy does good job for me at 2.8. But I never tryed to sell it to stocks.

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Apr 05, 2012 18:27 |  #14

dadgummit wrote in post #14215262 (external link)
I agree on the 28-135. The 28-135 kit lens that came with my 40D was so bad I almost returned the camera thinking it was not at all a step up from my Canon ELPH point and shoot. The IQ was actually worse! The Canon 17-55 changed all that though!!

Sometimes, one wonders, what was Canon thinking! I guess that is why a guy at work that has one has remarked that my 18-135 seems better...


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Apr 05, 2012 18:34 |  #15

One more for the Tamron 28-75mm! I moved to a 5Dc a few months back and that lens just makes so much sense on it. Perfect range, wide aperture, and consistent AF.


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