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Apr 05, 2012 09:38 |  #6976

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I tried some one lighters and they didn't turn out so I added the second light. Im new to indoor studio stuff so still trying to figure out exposure and light metering inside. Thanks for the help.

Get one light working before you add another light.;)


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Apr 05, 2012 10:28 |  #6977

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Like the shot.

There's a musician / model in Portland, who plays drums. I was hoping to take him and his full set outdoors when weather is better.

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Apr 05, 2012 11:20 |  #6978

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Actually it not the eyes... it is everything around the eyes that is being blurred by the skin softening program (I think Tiffany is using Portraiture). Sometimes the effect is not as evident as in the subject with the magnolia flower in her hair that Tiffany posted a few days ago and then sometimes the only thing you can see is teeth and eyes. It can actually look pretty scary to me when it is extreme. The reason I am pretty sure it is the skin softening technique is Mike (umphotography) recently purchased the same program and the effect is starting to show itself in his images as well. Also Tiffany has repeatedly said she has done nothing to the eyes whenever something is mentioned about this. My niece in Va had her senior pics done two years ago and the photographer there created similiar results.... teeth and eyes were the only thing in focus and overly white.

I have mentioned it before but if the images are selling and the customers are happy I see no reason that they should change what they are doing based upon what I am seeing ;) .....

Have you used portraiture? I have never seen that problem from portraiture. also I believe most people make out the eyes and lips and teeth and hair and clothes (hopefully)

I see that problem a lot from over sharpening. things apear sharp because there is a light pixel next to a dark pixel, sharpening, depending on the method, but basically makes the transitions from light to dark faster and more contrasty to apear sharper.

this can cause the whites of the eyes to get over white.


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Apr 05, 2012 11:46 |  #6979

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Have you used portraiture? I have never seen that problem from portraiture. also I believe most people make out the eyes and lips and teeth and hair and clothes (hopefully)

I see that problem a lot from over sharpening. things apear sharp because there is a light pixel next to a dark pixel, sharpening, depending on the method, but basically makes the transitions from light to dark faster and more contrasty to apear sharper.

this can cause the whites of the eyes to get over white.

I layer and mask the affect. Its brushed on so nothing can possibly get into the eyes or clothing. When i brush it on, I apply to skin only and im constantly looking for the happy medium so i can see pours in the skin and it doesn't look plastic. Im usually someplace B/t 55-70% opacity depending on skin of the subject.


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Apr 05, 2012 12:37 |  #6980

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I layer and mask the affect. Its brushed on so nothing can possibly get into the eyes or clothing. When i brush it on, I apply to skin only and im constantly looking for the happy medium so i can see pours in the skin and it doesn't look plastic. Im usually someplace B/t 55-70% opacity depending on skin of the subject.

Yeah same here :)
I noticed it works pretty well, got to watch out for the skin texture every once in a while it will just destroy it, I have it setup to perserve small details but even out the transitions in tones :) people already have naturally smooth skin (most people) so i try to limit the texture smoothing effects and try to keep the skin tone transition smoothing it provides :) saves alot of time dodge and burning to get nice transitions, but doesn't look quite as nice. but unless I'm doing a beauty shoot It doesn't make much of a noticeable difference

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Apr 05, 2012 12:53 as a reply to  @ bedojo's post |  #6981

Here is the one light I tried.

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Apr 05, 2012 13:21 as a reply to  @ Supersteve911's post |  #6982

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Actually it not the eyes... it is everything around the eyes that is being blurred by the skin softening program (I think Tiffany is using Portraiture). Sometimes the effect is not as evident as in the subject with the magnolia flower in her hair that Tiffany posted a few days ago and then sometimes the only thing you can see is teeth and eyes. It can actually look pretty scary to me when it is extreme. The reason I am pretty sure it is the skin softening technique is Mike (umphotography) recently purchased the same program and the effect is starting to show itself in his images as well. Also Tiffany has repeatedly said she has done nothing to the eyes whenever something is mentioned about this. My niece in Va had her senior pics done two years ago and the photographer there created similiar results.... teeth and eyes were the only thing in focus and overly white.

I have mentioned it before but if the images are selling and the customers are happy I see no reason that they should change what they are doing based upon what I am seeing ;) .....

I DON'T WHITEN EYES!! I swear!! Never!

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Have you used portraiture? I have never seen that problem from portraiture. also I believe most people make out the eyes and lips and teeth and hair and clothes (hopefully)

I see that problem a lot from over sharpening. things apear sharp because there is a light pixel next to a dark pixel, sharpening, depending on the method, but basically makes the transitions from light to dark faster and more contrasty to apear sharper.

this can cause the whites of the eyes to get over white.

I'm a masker too.


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Apr 05, 2012 13:33 |  #6983

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Steve. You need to separate her from the background. Would mean another light or a reflector. Plus i think you need to stop it down about 1 1/3 stops. There is no contrast with the Lightning at all,,, Its just just flat.

Most portraits,, basic set ups are 3 lights. Not saying you cant do one light shots, but this is not the ideal set up for that look on that type of backdrop you have selected. If im using 1 light, im outside almost every time. Exception would be a beauty dish, but even with a beauty dish, inside,,,,,3 lights for me


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Apr 05, 2012 13:44 |  #6984

<------only uses two lights inside


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Apr 05, 2012 14:40 |  #6985

You guys meter all the time or once you have it set up it stay the same?


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Apr 05, 2012 15:08 |  #6986

Indoors in a controlled setup I would go manual everything, once it's dialed you just kick back and shoot :). Outdoors, shoot I would still go manual and meter once for each locale.

I have trouble with hair lights so I usually just pop a flash on the background, got a gridded qbox recently that when boomed makes it a lot easier. I also use some foam core board as a reflector, it's amazing how much that can improve things for a couple bucks. I would like to get one of the foldable reflectors with white/silver/gold, a required move if charging (pro look). Don't want to show up with a paper plate flip it, a stofen made out of an old rubbing alcohol bottle and foam core reflectors ;)


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Apr 05, 2012 15:12 |  #6987

Supersteve911 wrote in post #14215671 (external link)
You guys meter all the time or once you have it set up it stay the same?

I have two studio rooms...in my "white" room I shoot at f/8.0, 1/125, ISO 100 I know where my lights are, and I have a certain spot I usually put the client. I adjust height of light up and down according to how the light hits the face. Therefore.....no need for me to meter every time. In my other room, the light placement changes more, and I shoot different apertures, so I meter the lights before shooting.

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Apr 05, 2012 18:13 |  #6988

Supersteve911 wrote in post #14215671 (external link)
You guys meter all the time or once you have it set up it stay the same?

I am not an expert.. but I meter every time I change the lighting. This is because I am using a Key light to the left or right a fill on axis. I meter for a lighting situation where the model is standing and shoot some photos. Then if I want the model in a sitting or laying down on the floor, I adjust the lights & meter again. I also remember to use the photovison target each time I change the light, because I ise that for custom WB on camera and in post.


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Apr 05, 2012 19:39 |  #6989

Tiffy, when you whiten the eyes do you brighten them as well, or just paint the whites out? I'm still trying to get it right.


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Apr 05, 2012 20:01 |  #6990

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Tiffy, when you whiten the eyes do you brighten them as well, or just paint the whites out? I'm still trying to get it right.

I think she mentioned many times she doesn't whiten the eyes


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