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85mm 1.4 Rokinon or 85mm Canon 1.8?

 
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Apr 11, 2012 03:48 |  #1

Wanted to get your advice on whether I should spring for a 85mm 1.4 or the 1.8?
I found both used for good prices ~300 and am thinking of the Rokinon because of its 1.4.

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Apr 11, 2012 05:27 |  #2
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if you can live with MF, definitely get the rokinon


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Apr 11, 2012 05:54 |  #3

Optically the Rokinon/Samyang is superior as long as you get the focus right. Pretty much the only issue I have with mine is the long MFD. I often find myself in a situation where I have to step back/lean back to get the shot, and then it's more loosely framed than I'd like so I have to crop.

Of course this issue can be corrected with the use of a thin extension ring/tube, but then you loose infinity focus. During a portrait photoshoot that isn't much of a problem though.

Some common problem with the Samyang:

The hood that comes with is plastic, and the bayonet mount will become loose over time. A Nikon HN-20 screw-in metal hood does fit the lens nicely, and I keep one mounted permanently.

The focus ring will be a little tight when it's new, but it will loosen over the first weeks of use. Now I can easily adjust focus with the push of one finger. And by the way, the focus ring feels much better any AF lens.

The aperture ring is also made out of plastic and it could feel better really. Nothing wrong with it though. It does feel a bit tighter and "rattles" less when outside in -20 degrees C. :D

I haven't used the Canon 1.8, so I can't comment on it to the same degree, but from what I've seen its weaknesses are purple fringing. Looking at comparisons the Samyang also seems to have nicer bokeh.


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Apr 11, 2012 06:19 |  #4

I've used both. This is a harder decision than the canon/samyang 35mm debate.

I exclusively used the samyang 85 on my 5DII (check my Flickr) everyday and its a killer lens. The 85 from canon is no slouch though. The AF is awesome, and it's really sharp (although the samyang is Super sharp as well).

I really don't think that my focusing ring is stiff..,but the MFD is a little limiting on the samyang.

It comes down to whether or not you want the AF or f/1.4.


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Apr 11, 2012 06:42 |  #5

The AF on the Canon is quick and snappy, and there is some fringing @ 1.8 but cleans up nicely by 2.0-2.2... I haven't used the rokinon but I couldnt be happier with my Canon... The only lens I would upgrade to from there is a Sigma 85...


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Apr 11, 2012 06:58 |  #6

The 85mm rokinon is next on list I heard it competes with the 1.2L


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Apr 11, 2012 07:00 |  #7

Check out my flickr, the link is in my sig...

I like to think that I take some good shots with it (the samyang that is...)


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Apr 11, 2012 07:03 |  #8

I've owned both and the Canon wins. It's sharper and the AF is pro quality for a consumer level price. Both lenses suffer from purple fringing at wide apertures. The Rokinon is a good lens for the price but the Canon is much more versatile.




  
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Apr 11, 2012 07:06 as a reply to  @ riotshield's post |  #9

I don't know about the Rokinon, but I love my Canon 85.


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Apr 11, 2012 07:17 |  #10

Can somebody tell me if the fstop jumps from 1.4 to 2.0 like the 35mm rokinon


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Apr 11, 2012 07:21 |  #11

Just be aware - with such shallow DoF lenses manual focus is a very serious limitation. I could only get sharp shots with the Samyang at f/1.4-f/2.5 when I was using tripod and with Live View focusing. This was the main reason I eventually upgraded it to 135L.


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Apr 11, 2012 16:29 |  #12

pulsar123 wrote in post #14246576 (external link)
Just be aware - with such shallow DoF lenses manual focus is a very serious limitation. I could only get sharp shots with the Samyang at f/1.4-f/2.5 when I was using tripod and with Live View focusing. This was the main reason I eventually upgraded it to 135L.

hmm, you guys have kind of validated my fears with manual focusing.

Chumlee- your photos look amazing! love the bokeh on your images, especially your dog and the kia. It seems most of your shots really don't move, what about moments where you need to rely on AF... did you or anyone else have trouble focusing on the subject before you lost the opportunity to capture the moment?

Dsit - I was actually thinking about the Sigma 85mm as well. You guys have any thoughts on that? Is it on par with the Rockinon?


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Apr 11, 2012 17:09 |  #13

pulsar123 wrote in post #14246576 (external link)
Just be aware - with such shallow DoF lenses manual focus is a very serious limitation. I could only get sharp shots with the Samyang at f/1.4-f/2.5 when I was using tripod and with Live View focusing. This was the main reason I eventually upgraded it to 135L.

Much easier to focus with a *D and an appropriate focusing screen(for me 5DII and EG-S).

In fact the stock focusing screens don't show light from wider angles than what you get with approx. f/2.8, meaning you don't actually see the DoF you get. Try it with a fast lens, you'll see it right away even when chimping.


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Apr 11, 2012 17:31 |  #14

I'm in the same water as OP. I've owned a 85 1.4 rokkie with a 5D2 and honestly, it sat in my bag most of the time. Optically, it's wonderful but with the MFD, i didn't used it much due to my 50 and 35 instead.

I just rented a 85 1.8 last weekend and loved how quick it was to focus. The only thing i noticed between the two lenses is that the rokkie has bigger lens element and in terms of IQ its very similar to the zeiss 85 1.4. build is pretty good and i like the build more than the 85 1.8.

as for speed, that's where the 85 1.8 wins. you just have to figure out what kind of shooting you do. i can shoot wide open with the 1.8 and sports/actions and get away with it on a 5D3 bc of the awesome AF. idk if i can do that with the rokinon but i've trained my eyes to be very fast and focus quickly like that if the situation arises.

so if you have patience, get the 85 1.4. it'll also teach you how to MF and rely more on your eyes than the actual AF system of the camera.

other than that, just get the 85 1.8 for double the price more or buy a used one off of here for a few dollars more than a new rokinon 85 1.4.


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Apr 11, 2012 22:02 as a reply to  @ BryantFC's post |  #15

Both quality glass but two very different tools. I use my Bell/Howell 85 1.4 for portrait/ static shots wide open and except for the MFD and purple fringing it produces beautiful images...but DOF is so thin I wouldn't even attempt shooting a moving subject. If you need the focal length with all the versatility then the Canon is the clear pick, IMO.


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