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Apr 11, 2012 18:23 |  #91
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Curtis N wrote in post #14249919 (external link)
I don't think the person who wrote about spending years learning Photoshop was trying to prove anything, other than there are a lot of important skills that need to be learned.

But see, that's just the point. One needn't know how to work in Photoshop to be a successful photographer...


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Apr 11, 2012 18:47 |  #92

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Carefully read what you just wrote. Your actually very right but don't actually comprehend the reality of the present market.
20% - quality, it doesn't make that much of a difference anymore.
80% - business, it also includes minimizing the effects of competition anyway you can.

Well, I'm not a professional photographer but have been in the business world for 25+ years. The concept remains the same regardless of industry.

However, it makes no difference to me. If I were earning my main income from photography, I'd worry more about my product than what the other guy charges. That only leads to a race to the bottom, which will eventually affect my business.

In the end, it's about the ability to differentiate yourself from others in the marketplace.


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Apr 12, 2012 03:04 |  #93

Karl C wrote in post #14250116 (external link)
In the end, it's about the ability to differentiate yourself from others in the marketplace.

Indeed. I'm always being hired because my stuff doesn't look like everyone else's. Granted,I'm not fetching super high end money but I'm nowhere near the bottom.


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Apr 12, 2012 13:29 |  #94

Karl C wrote in post #14250116 (external link)
Well, I'm not a professional photographer but have been in the business world for 25+ years. The concept remains the same regardless of industry.

However, it makes no difference to me. If I were earning my main income from photography, I'd worry more about my product than what the other guy charges. That only leads to a race to the bottom, which will eventually affect my business.

In the end, it's about the ability to differentiate yourself from others in the marketplace.

Again, I agree when applied to many businesses other than "general" photography.
Just how does a general photographer differentiate himself these days?
There's only so many ways to do a portrait.
Most "New" nowadays is a new Photoshop preset or action which anyone can buy.




  
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Apr 13, 2012 03:11 |  #95

mobei wrote in post #14254436 (external link)
Again, I agree when applied to many businesses other than "general" photography.
Just how does a general photographer differentiate himself these days?
There's only so many ways to do a portrait.
Most "New" nowadays is a new Photoshop preset or action which anyone can buy.

No one said it's easy. ;-)a


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Apr 13, 2012 13:22 |  #96

Which is exactly the point. How many hours do you want to work every week to beat the free or cut rate people. 60, 80, 100 hours.




  
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Apr 13, 2012 13:32 |  #97

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Which is exactly the point. How many hours do you want to work every week to beat the free or cut rate people. 60, 80, 100 hours.

0.

They were beaten by default, my competition is much higher than them.

What they do, and who they work with, is not what i do, or who i work with.

Same industry, different markets.


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Apr 13, 2012 13:39 |  #98

mobei wrote in post #14260084 (external link)
Which is exactly the point. How many hours do you want to work every week to beat the free or cut rate people. 60, 80, 100 hours.

It's not about quantity. It never was. Sears Portrait can't even win that game.


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Apr 13, 2012 14:25 |  #99

@mobei: are you a professional photographer ? what pricing niche do you fall into ? A lot of your remarks suggest that you feel seriously threatened by non-business-savvy entry-level photographers, which is strange.



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Apr 13, 2012 16:26 |  #100

mobei wrote in post #14260084 (external link)
Which is exactly the point. How many hours do you want to work every week to beat the free or cut rate people. 60, 80, 100 hours.

It's about working smarter. Not longer.
It's about gaining the skills required to produce quality.
It's about finding the clients willing to pay for quality.
It's about convincing them that you can offer quality that has value.
Do those things, and you can make more money in 40 hours than your el-cheapo neighbor can make in 100 hours.


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Apr 13, 2012 22:54 as a reply to  @ Curtis N's post |  #101

What I'm saying is that there are many good photographers around the country being hurt by people cutting corners and not operating legal businesses. Any photographer doing regular portraits in the average demographic knows this.




  
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Apr 13, 2012 23:27 |  #102

mobei wrote in post #14262592 (external link)
What I'm saying is that there are many good photographers around the country being hurt by people cutting corners and not operating legal businesses. Any photographer doing regular portraits in the average demographic knows this.

Well you'll certainly fix that by making enough whistle blowing phone calls won't you.


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Apr 13, 2012 23:49 |  #103
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fotoworx wrote in post #14262723 (external link)
Well you'll certainly fix that by making enough whistle blowing phone calls won't you.

Hehehehehe...


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Apr 14, 2012 18:05 |  #104

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Well you'll certainly fix that by making enough whistle blowing phone calls won't you.

I must assume then that you are one of whom I speak.




  
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Apr 14, 2012 18:20 |  #105

mobei wrote in post #14266274 (external link)
I must assume then that you are one of whom I speak.

Nope, but feel free to telephone the Society for the Prevention of Crap photos and tittle tat on me.


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