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Apr 16, 2012 10:58 as a reply to  @ post 14274568 |  #7216

In the other thread, which was not high school senior, but pose related, some felt their attention was the crotch area. Although the all the lines of the photo (example above) actually point to her rib cage area, some felt their attention was lower.

My conclusion was that is may seem sexy for for other reasons. One, that she had tight fitting jeans and looked good in them, two, that her arms are up tighting and exposing her belly, and three, some of the track is steering some viewer's attention.

Here is the same location with what seems a more conservative version ...


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Apr 16, 2012 11:06 |  #7217

^ I tried to delete my post after I had found the old post myself and realized that I was wrong about the images and we were actually complaining about the image quality back then as well.... however you quoted me before the post was fully deleted.

Something is not right somewhere... pretty subject though.




  
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Apr 16, 2012 11:32 as a reply to  @ jwp721's post |  #7218

mdvaden.. your skin processing is causing issues. It looks blotchy in these photos. What is your tool & process?


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Apr 16, 2012 13:51 |  #7219

Now Im intrigued, can someone help this lazy guy out and give us a post number?


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Apr 16, 2012 14:08 |  #7220

shankarhokie wrote in post #14274813 (external link)
mdvaden.. your skin processing is causing issues. It looks blotchy in these photos. What is your tool & process?

Last autumn for these is was Portrait Professional or Photoshop, and the method is whatever I could figure out to pull out of a crash dive - lol.

I've barely begun to figure out the tools in photoshop.

Just recently I started to explore the menus and options. It may be one of the few things for which I may look to take a class. Although I was reading there may be some tutorials on Youtube, and I have not searched on there yet.

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Apr 16, 2012 17:42 |  #7221

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Last autumn for these is was Portrait Professional or Photoshop, and the method is whatever I could figure out to pull out of a crash dive - lol.

I've barely begun to figure out the tools in photoshop.

Just recently I started to explore the menus and options. It may be one of the few things for which I may look to take a class. Although I was reading there may be some tutorials on Youtube, and I have not searched on there yet.

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I won the Scoot Kelby book called Professional Portrait Retouching Techniques in a seminar. That is a Godsend. I follow the skin smoothing techniques using High Pass filter & Gaussian Blur (Yeah yeah).. and it works really well... Purists will kill you for using blur... but hey.. it is easy enough for photoshop newbies like myself.

The technique is somewhat like this.

1. Click ctrl+j to duplicate the layer
2. Change the Blend mode to Overlay. The picture will turn dark & really contrasty
2. Go to Filter > Other > High Pass.
3. Enter a Value of 10
4. Click CTRL + I to invert the layer. The layer will become gray toned
5. go to Filter > Blur > Gaussian Blur
6. Pick a radius using the slider so that some of the skin texture shows up. Usually around 4, but depends on your particular photo
7. Create a Layer mask (press ALT & click on the layer mask icon next to fx on the layer panel. You should see a Black rectangle next to the layer (You can also do Layer> Layer Mask > Hide All)
8. Select a soft brush and make sure that the color is white and paint on the skin areas ONLY. Avoid the eyes, lips, nostrils etc.

Play with the Gaussian blur number to suit your taste.


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Apr 16, 2012 19:11 |  #7222

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I won the Scoot Kelby book called Professional Portrait Retouching Techniques in a seminar. That is a Godsend. I follow the skin smoothing techniques using High Pass filter & Gaussian Blur (Yeah yeah).. and it works really well... Purists will kill you for using blur... but hey.. it is easy enough for photoshop newbies like myself.

The technique is somewhat like this.

Thanks.

I started a Word .doc file this afternoon, added that to it and put a shortcut on my desktop. Will add other tips too.

Actually, photographing outdoors, 80% of the subjects I've practiced shooting with have got goosebumps, at least on their arms and legs. And it seems there would be little other alternative for purists to remove even that in a pure way.

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Apr 16, 2012 19:20 |  #7223

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Thanks.

I started a Word .doc file this afternoon, added that to it and put a shortcut on my desktop. Will add other tips too.

Actually, photographing outdoors, 80% of the subjects I've practiced shooting with have got goosebumps, at least on their arms and legs. And it seems there would be little other alternative for purists to remove even that in a pure way.

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If you want .. you may send me a couple of hi-res images and I will do my processing and tell you my steps. I am not an expert, and there are others that are much much better, but I could be your start


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Apr 16, 2012 19:48 |  #7224

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If you want .. you may send me a couple of hi-res images and I will do my processing and tell you my steps. I am not an expert, and there are others that are much much better, but I could be your start

Got to #4, although the image preview area did not look grey toned, although the thumbnail of the layer to the right was a grey box.

Pretty sure I proceeded through #5, and the preview area blurred somewhat entirely.

#6 was simple and obvious.

#7 I think I got muddled. Also, I'm using Photoshop Elements, which I suspect has the options, but not sure if the icons are all in the same places the same way.

Sent a PM about the Image Files.

This should be interesting. Recently, that gals complexion was better, but last fall it really showed. Can't wait to see how someone tackles this.


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Apr 16, 2012 20:06 |  #7225

Can i interject a tech question here? For those of you doing in person viewing sessions, are you using a projector? I'm considering buying one to use in my viewing room and feel it will give the client a better idea of what a large wall portrait will look like on a wall in their home. I also think the larger images add a "WOW" factor to the ordering process.

Not sure which projector to get. Looking to spend around $800-$900 on it. Any suggestions?


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Apr 16, 2012 20:17 |  #7226

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Can i interject a tech question here? For those of you doing in person viewing sessions, are you using a projector? I'm considering buying one to use in my viewing room and feel it will give the client a better idea of what a large wall portrait will look like on a wall in their home. I also think the larger images add a "WOW" factor to the ordering process.

Not sure which projector to get. Looking to spend around $800-$900 on it. Any suggestions?


Would not waste my time and effort with projection sales tactics. I have many reasons but mainly, i don't want my business associated with used car sales tactis for my photography business. I just dont need the reputation that some of the studios have in my area. I just got done talking a class with a very established senior photographer. He is on the same page as myself and he has actually researched the subject and determined that projection sales and some of the tactics that go with it hurt the sales process. Your trying to get them to buy on emotion with projections sales. I want them to buy on emotion and with a clear conscious. I will stick to what Im doing. Ive heard to many bad reports from clients in my area about this technique that is supposed to increase sales.......It does not work.


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Apr 16, 2012 20:19 |  #7227

KCMO Reefer wrote in post #14277662 (external link)
Can i interject a tech question here? For those of you doing in person viewing sessions, are you using a projector? I'm considering buying one to use in my viewing room and feel it will give the client a better idea of what a large wall portrait will look like on a wall in their home. I also think the larger images add a "WOW" factor to the ordering process.

Not sure which projector to get. Looking to spend around $800-$900 on it. Any suggestions?

I bought an EPSON projector and a 91" remote controlled screen. I used the screen a few times before I bought my iPad. Once I had my iPad, I installed the app called "Portfolio" I have not used the projector for viewings since. I hand the customer the iPad and start a slideshow. When the slideshow is finished, I let them manually swipe through the images taking as long to view each one as needed. Works like a charm!!


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Apr 16, 2012 20:53 |  #7228

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Would not waste my time and effort with projection sales tactics. I have many reasons but mainly, i don't want my business associated with used car sales tactis for my photography business. I just dont need the reputation that some of the studios have in my area. I just got done talking a class with a very established senior photographer. He is on the same page as myself and he has actually researched the subject and determined that projection sales and some of the tactics that go with it hurt the sales process. Your trying to get them to buy on emotion with projections sales. I want them to buy on emotion and with a clear conscious. I will stick to what Im doing. Ive heard to many bad reports from clients in my area about this technique that is supposed to increase sales.......It does not work.

Love this attitude! I sometimes wish I was better at business(I really suck at it), but also pride myself on pure honesty and value to my clients. I can't stand selling square inches. I have a hard time even asking for money at all, but it is getting easier.


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Apr 16, 2012 20:59 |  #7229

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Got to #4, although the image preview area did not look grey toned, although the thumbnail of the layer to the right was a grey box.

Pretty sure I proceeded through #5, and the preview area blurred somewhat entirely.

#6 was simple and obvious.

#7 I think I got muddled. Also, I'm using Photoshop Elements, which I suspect has the options, but not sure if the icons are all in the same places the same way.

Sent a PM about the Image Files.

This should be interesting. Recently, that gals complexion was better, but last fall it really showed. Can't wait to see how someone tackles this.

Hello,

She is a beautiful girl. My daughter said the same thing!

Here is my quick edit. I copied the layer and used the spot healing brush to eliminate the acne. Then I did the high pass skin smoothing I described above. I flattened the layers, and then created a new layer, used the soft light blend method, filled it with 50% grey. This was my dodge & burn layer. Dodging is making the midtones brighter. I used that to brighten the iris. Burn is darkening the pixels. I used that to slightly darken the white shirt (that was the focal point before) and also the wooden backdrop. If I had the RAW file, I can do a lot more. Practice.. practice .. practice. I think you can do a lot of this with Elements, but having Photoshop CS5 is a lot easier on some tasks.

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Apr 16, 2012 21:11 |  #7230

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I really like this idea. It would keep the forum less cluttered & would allow us to have one great resource for viewing, C&C, & getting ideas.

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