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Thread started 16 Apr 2012 (Monday) 19:40
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Apr 16, 2012 21:41 as a reply to  @ post 14278133 |  #16

Don

AF is the one thing that stands out on a 7D as compared to my 50D. It's just way smarter than the 50D in that department. Havent had the chance to see the difference in handling noise myself but i have read all the articles about it.

Enjoy your new toy. That should be my next body upgrade.. or maybe a 5d MkII.

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Apr 16, 2012 21:48 |  #17

Hi, I love my 7D and you will too. It's the first camera I've had that has me satisfied rather than lusting after the next model. It does all the things I need it to do and does it well. Have fun and keep shootin'. Mike




  
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Apr 16, 2012 22:35 |  #18

I also went from 50D to 7D and have been shooting with a pair of them for a couple years. It's a sturdier feeling camera, great viewfinder, good for about a stop higher ISO than I would use on 50D.

I get a kick out of the "faster AF" comments. Actually, lab tests of the 50D and 7D showed the 50D is actually slightly faster to acquire lock (One Shot)... but we're talking a few milliseconds so you'd never notice it in the field. The difference is that the 7D tracks better in AI Servo, which is pretty much impossible to quantify and compare with much accuracy. I just know from using the cameras for a couple years that I get somewhat fewer missed focus shots with 7D than 50D, using same lenses for the same subjects and essentially using the cameras the same way. It really is optimized as an "AI Servo/Sports/Actioin" camera. Of course it can serve many purposes... the 7D's AF is much more configurable and has a whole bunch more AF points to work with. I really like Spot Focus, use it and Single Point the most. Occasionally Zone Focus and Expansion points come in handy.

I was surprised to hear about the 7D's special macro AI Servo focus mode, which samples subject distance 4X as often as usual when using any of the Canon USM macro lenses focused closely. It's not even mentioned in the manual, nor many other places. Combined with Spot Focus, this is might be a really useful tool for macro photography.

With my 7D, I've stopped using the one third ISO stops... I only use full stops: 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600... All the noise tests I've seen show that the one third stops (125, 250, 500, 1000, etc.) at best are only very slightly cleaner than the next higher full stop. The same tests show that the two third stops (160, 320, 640, 1250, etc.) are actually noisier than the next higher full stop.

With 7D and the other 18MP cameras, Canon recommends using higher shutter speeds.... There's a white paper on their website about the ultra densely packed sensors being more susceptible to camera shake. Where I used to use 100 and 200 ISO, I now set 200 and 400 by default, just to be sure I'm using slightly higher shutter speeds.

There was a lot of whining about "soft images" initially when 7D came out... partly due to the sensitivity to camera shake, but mostly because the camera uses such a strong anti-alias filter. I find I use a whole lot more sharpening on images than I needed with 50D (someone shooting JPEGs may not notice this, in-camera conversions might automatically apply more sharpening... But I wouldn't know, I almost exclusively shoot RAW).

7D is a real workhorse. It's the first really pro-oriented APS-C sensor camera that Canon has offered... and it was about time! I enjoyed earlier cameras, but Canon was late to giving their crop cameras all the respect they deserved! I think they've learned their lesson.

Have fun with your 7D... it's a great camera! (Not that the 50D was at all bad.)


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Apr 16, 2012 22:50 |  #19

Hi, Alan!

Yeah...the tracking is a lot faster, plus the body has the ability to have the tracking set even quicker than it's original factory settings. I like that...

I spend lots of time shooting bicycle races, and certainly need to shoot high shutter speeds. I also need good focus, so my aperture is usually set at 5.6 or higher.

The difference in noise production between the two bodies at similar ISO ratings is pronounced. As I said earlier, I now am shooting at 1000 ISO and don't worry much about it. With the 50D, anything over 500 was potentially a problem...

I use spot focus, or expanded spot focus, as my standard. I'm panning and shooting either mid-body or on the face, depending whether it's a horizontal or vertical shot, and need tight control of both the focus and metering. It's possible for me to get in trouble with backlighting easily unless I'm careful to spot-meter carefully on the subject. I try to fill the frame to 80% when I shoot, leaving a bit of room for cropping. That means tight control. This new body does a better job at both tracking and metering, by my empirical observations.

I'll play with some wildlife/nature/botani​cal subjects, and surely come to rely on a handful of tweaks to maximize the effort.

Now...i need to figure out if I need to upgrade from my 430 EXII...

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Apr 16, 2012 23:12 |  #20

nyc2sd wrote in post #14278011 (external link)
The reason you are not complaining is because you are using the camera as intended: to take awesome images (not pixel peep at underexposed shots of useless household objects)

Hahah so true!




  
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Apr 16, 2012 23:15 as a reply to  @ post 14278133 |  #21

But the 7D put a halo around your bicyclist. ;)


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Apr 16, 2012 23:15 as a reply to  @ Don Madson's post |  #22

pepponeskie wrote in post #14278118 (external link)
I was a 20D user, then upgraded to 60D. Upon using the 60D, I was tempted to try the bird photography and until I decided to sell my 60D and upgrade to a 7D, and I never looked back. 7D's AF tracking is superb, I got a lot of %keeper than my 60D specially when shooting birds in flight.

Enjoy the 7D!

I have a 60d and enjoy it for birds. That is pretty much all I shoot. I think the 7d would allow me a few more keepers but when I shoot with my buddies (2 of them have 7ds) I come back with just as many or more keepers.:cool:



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Apr 17, 2012 15:11 |  #23

Naturalist wrote in post #14278704 (external link)
But the 7D put a halo around your bicyclist. ;)

Not the camera's fault...It was severely backlit, and I fiddled around with several "adjustments" in post to try to save a picture that probably should have been blitzed...

This is also shown BIG, and might not show off the halo as much with a smaller view...

just sayin'...

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Apr 17, 2012 15:28 |  #24

I love my 7D. I upgraded from a Sony Alpha A-350 and the 7D can be a beast at first. Just learn to use it. :D


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Aug 28, 2015 12:24 |  #25

We'll see.


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Aug 28, 2015 16:23 |  #26

I've gotten good results out of mine at 6400 as well; it's absolutely key to give that sensor as many photons as you can, even if it means reducing the exposure in post. Once you underexpose, you've just introduced unnecessary noise into the image, and will be working harder than you should to get rid of it. As noted, the image can handle much more sharpening than you would expect; if the shot is in focus, you can sharpen dramatically without adding artifacts.

I don't use mine as often as I used to since getting the mk II, but it's still my backup and I won't hesitate to haul it out if needed.


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Aug 28, 2015 20:16 |  #27

Best overall value for money camera for general shooting IMO and definitely for sports/wildlife. Unfortunately when I got my 7D after having a 5DII, it 'made' me buy a 5DIII because I got used to having a real AF system and such a responsive camera.


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Aug 29, 2015 15:34 |  #28

I wonder if you realize you are continuing a three year old thread...


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