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Book Club Topic: Composition - The Photographer's Eye, Chapter 1, The Image Frame

 
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Apr 10, 2012 10:39 as a reply to  @ post 14241470 |  #61

With your indulgence I have two more. One is a frame within a frame and the other uses the frame and depth of field to introduce perspective on the shot.

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and a forced perspective (or maybe I'm just showing off my daughter.. LOL):
http://flic.kr/p/bxnBw​W (external link)

edit: I just went back to make sure the links worked and you can access my snapshots. I think the first one could actually be a frame within a frame within a frame. ; )

one more edit: I probably should have straightened out the shot so the parallel lines of the building line up with the frame border. Thoughts?

last edit I promise: OK.... the window frame is parallel to the snapshot frame. I think that is best.




  
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Apr 10, 2012 11:49 |  #62

Gawain wrote in post #14241499 (external link)
With your indulgence I have two more. One is a frame within a frame and the other uses the frame and depth of field to introduce perspective on the shot.

frame within a frame:
http://flic.kr/p/bLhiy​e (external link)

and a forced perspective (or maybe I'm just showing off my daughter.. LOL):
http://flic.kr/p/bxnBw​W (external link)

edit: I just went back to make sure the links worked and you can access my snapshots. I think the first one could actually be a frame within a frame within a frame. ; )

one more edit: I probably should have straightened out the shot so the parallel lines of the building line up with the frame border. Thoughts?

last edit I promise: OK.... the window frame is parallel to the snapshot frame. I think that is best.

Gawain, with flickr, sharing is easy. You click so you have the picture all by itself on one page and there is a share dialog above the picture. Click on it and it turns into a pull-down; choose "HTML/BBCode", copy everything there and post it into a reply to thread window here. :)


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Apr 10, 2012 17:48 |  #63

Thank-you!

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Gawain, with flickr, sharing is easy. You click so you have the picture all by itself on one page and there is a share dialog above the picture. Click on it and it turns into a pull-down; choose "HTML/BBCode", copy everything there and post it into a reply to thread window here. :)




  
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Apr 11, 2012 18:44 |  #64

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Thank-you!

You're welcome! :)


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Apr 14, 2012 21:40 |  #65

OK. I am lost. Is this the thread we should be discussing chapters in?


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Apr 15, 2012 08:05 as a reply to  @ TTuna Eye's post |  #66

I'm assuming no. Or the thread has died. ???????

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Apr 16, 2012 01:47 |  #67

TTuna Eye wrote in post #14267081 (external link)
OK. I am lost. Is this the thread we should be discussing chapters in?

Yes, we'll use this single thread for the entire book with no timetable.

Jeremy's original intent was for everyone to read the book together and discuss the concepts of each chapter in separate threads. For a variety of reasons, that didn't work out.

Let's get the discussion going again! I realize that composition isn't something that can be reduced to a set of formulas but still, many of the book's tips and insights are interesting.


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Apr 16, 2012 03:26 |  #68

My apologies again for my lack of contributions. I am reading every word but I've got bogged down with chapter 2. Maybe chapter 3 will be better when we reach it.


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Apr 16, 2012 12:27 |  #69

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...I am reading every word but I've got bogged down with chapter 2. Maybe chapter 3 will be better when we reach it.

That's pretty much what happened to me. Let's just plow through Chapter Two and see if Chapter Three isn't better for our discussion.

Here's a scene I ran into yesterday. Looked like I had all the right ingredients but I just couldn't pull it together. Thinking about composition, I snapped a bunch of shots under the bent branches, using them as a frame and to point at other parts of the image. But none of my images had much of a spark.


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This is after some straightening and cropping but it still looks disjointed. I have a feeling that it's due to the repetitive small scale of the various elements, but I'd love to hear criticisms and perhaps some ideas on how I should have handled this.

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Apr 17, 2012 21:38 |  #70

I think that shot is cool! I would probably crop it down a bit more to bring out the dog (I love dogs) the framing with the trees and the snow capped mountains provide some cool contrast in both subject and color.


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Apr 18, 2012 10:34 |  #71

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I think that shot is cool! I would probably crop it down a bit more to bring out the dog (I love dogs) the framing with the trees and the snow capped mountains provide some cool contrast in both subject and color.

I agree. I think this is one where you could safely ignore the rule of thirds and crop so that the dog is right in the lower right corner of the image, which will emphasize the dog as TTuna Eye suggests and also bring the dog closer to the bend of the trees in the final image, plus eliminate the very bland foreground below the dog.


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Apr 18, 2012 12:05 |  #72

I agree. "Filling the frame" always seems to produce a more compelling image. My goal with this image was to have several layers of interest, the details in the pebbles, the stick lying on the ground, the way the dog's tail curves in a way that similar to the trees, and then the weather in the hills, which contrasts with the sunny day down below.

But none of that means anything if the basic composition isn't compelling. I might take a stab at editing this again, re-cropping, and then highlighting specific objects that I want to emphasize. (I tried cropping closer to the dog and didn't care for it because it created the "invisible wall" feeling. Perhaps this shot just has too many flaws to start with.)

Edit: Here's a quick Lightroom re-edit.

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Apr 18, 2012 13:22 |  #73

Big improvement.


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Apr 19, 2012 00:34 |  #74

I was just looking at another thread and wondered about applying LR's Crop Tool Golden Spriral overlay. I don't know why, but the Golden Spiral seems to make compositions click into place. What do you think of this composition compared to the first? It's a subtle difference but I like it better.

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Apr 25, 2012 13:24 |  #75

cacawcacaw wrote in post #14290775 (external link)
I was just looking at another thread and wondered about applying LR's Crop Tool Golden Spriral overlay. I don't know why, but the Golden Spiral seems to make compositions click into place. What do you think of this composition compared to the first? It's a subtle difference but I like it better.

Definitely better than the original, but I think something between this and your second example might work even better. One possibility would be to draw the right edge of the frame in a little, but not as close as in your second example, and drop the top edge down closer to the tree that has the big curve.


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