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Who's making the switch to Nikon / D800

 
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Apr 22, 2012 20:50 |  #2491

I am switching to Nikon and have the D800E on preorder and a new D3S coming in this week. I know it is not the D4 but I just don't have enough dough because of the switch.


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Apr 23, 2012 08:39 |  #2492

after being very close to buy a 5d2 for replacing my NEX (who replaced my 50d), i ordered today the d800. DR (until 800 ISO) and better AF (comparing to 5d2) were the key elements (5d3 being more expensive). The 36Mpx = a nice, but cumbersome bonus.
I do not care about video, but that interpolated LiveView might be a problem...
Anyway, till 15th of may i have to decide about lenses - 50 1.8, 28 1.8, maybe 80-200 2.8. I'll miss the 70-200 f/4.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 08:47 |  #2493

jubilatu wrote in post #14312485 (external link)
after being very close to buy a 5d2 for replacing my NEX (who replaced my 50d), i ordered today the d800. DR (until 800 ISO) and better AF (comparing to 5d2) were the key elements (5d3 being more expensive). The 36Mpx = a nice, but cumbersome bonus.
I do not care about video, but that interpolated LiveView might be a problem...
Anyway, till 15th of may i have to decide about lenses - 50 1.8, 28 1.8, maybe 80-200 2.8. I'll miss the 70-200 f/4.

Actually, the live view isn't interpolated.

The 'Medium' magnification gives you 100% magnification - that is, one screen pixel equals one sensor pixel.

At maximum magnification, though, you're viewing it at 200% or 300% - that is, one sensor pixel is distributed over several screen pixels, making it look less sharp.

The inability to focus with the lens wide open is a problem, though, although easily fixable in firmware. For now, you can just set the aperture to wide open, focus, then stop down before taking the shot, just like you would with a medium-format camera - it takes all of two seconds.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 08:47 |  #2494

if i were buying one, i'd get the 14-24.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 09:21 |  #2495

rick_reno wrote in post #14312540 (external link)
if i were buying one, i'd get the 14-24.

The 14-24 is a beast of a lens, both in performance and weight. :p My vote would be for the 24/1.4G.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 09:28 |  #2496

thanks for infos. didn't know about "The inability to focus with the lens wide open". Further investigations on the way.

regarding 14-24:
1. Nikon's boys (and lensrentals.com) are reporting a not-so-good performance on d800 (corners) witch will be intriguing, knowing how the lens performed till now.
2.after i shot 6 months at 60mm (40mm on crop), even 35mm on FF seems to be too wide. I do not think that i could use such a specialty lens. Maybe later...




  
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Apr 23, 2012 09:33 |  #2497

jubilatu wrote in post #14312485 (external link)
after being very close to buy a 5d2 for replacing my NEX (who replaced my 50d), i ordered today the d800. DR (until 800 ISO) and better AF (comparing to 5d2) were the key elements (5d3 being more expensive). The 36Mpx = a nice, but cumbersome bonus.
I do not care about video, but that interpolated LiveView might be a problem...
Anyway, till 15th of may i have to decide about lenses - 50 1.8, 28 1.8, maybe 80-200 2.8. I'll miss the 70-200 f/4.

Live View is definitely problematic with the D800, particularly in low-light scenarios. I did learn one trick to help (there's a youtube video on this, so search "Live View D800" and you'll find it. So, the trick is to tweak your Picture Style to max out both sharpness and contrast. This makes a helpful improvement to the legibility of the Live View screen and since you're surely shooting Raw only, the tweak to the Picture Style won't affect your captured image.

Another important tip for Live View use on the D800 is to set your aperture at your lens' widest possible setting just for focusing. Once you've nailed the focus, reset your aperture to your liking for the exposure.

Live View is a real let-down on the D800 as compared with the 5D II, but so far it's not been a serious obstacle for me.


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Apr 23, 2012 09:45 |  #2498

jubilatu wrote in post #14312745 (external link)
thanks for infos. didn't know about "The inability to focus with the lens wide open". Further investigations on the way.

regarding 14-24:
1. Nikon's boys (and lensrentals.com) are reporting a not-so-good performance on d800 (corners) witch will be intriguing, knowing how the lens performed till now.

So the extra 15MP make it soft?
I know people scream it's sharp with 21MP


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Apr 23, 2012 09:51 |  #2499

One thing that determined me to buy 50d and not d90 was the possibility of using phase detection AF in live view and the quality of live view itself. I used it a lot for difficult angles and for silent shooting and now, after 6 months of NEX with only the live view and touch screen with tap-to-focus, it'll be quite hard with the d800. I guess that my first 80x60 print will give me back my smile...
Compromises, compromises...

regardin 14-24 - i do not know:
http://www.lensrentals​.com …12/03/d800-lens-selection (external link)
http://www.nikonians.o​rg …esg_id=39106&pa​ge=3#40784 (external link)




  
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Apr 23, 2012 10:32 as a reply to  @ jubilatu's post |  #2500

I guess 36MP does make every lens look outdated :lol:
If 14-24 can't match it I doubt any wide angle lens in the market can :lol:


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Apr 23, 2012 10:33 |  #2501

Shadowblade wrote in post #14312535 (external link)
Actually, the live view isn't interpolated.

The 'Medium' magnification gives you 100% magnification - that is, one screen pixel equals one sensor pixel.

At maximum magnification, though, you're viewing it at 200% or 300% - that is, one sensor pixel is distributed over several screen pixels, making it look less sharp.

The inability to focus with the lens wide open is a problem, though, although easily fixable in firmware. For now, you can just set the aperture to wide open, focus, then stop down before taking the shot, just like you would with a medium-format camera - it takes all of two seconds.

Have you seen this vid that compares 100 percent display on the d800 between liveview and image review? He admits this case is worse than average, but it appears to be inferior to the 5d2, 3, and even d700 in that regard.

Reports are that it makes MF with LV problematic under certain conditions on the d800.

http://www.youtube.com …0wg&feature=you​tu.be&hd=1 (external link)

His tip in the later vid aluded to above on boosting contrast and sharpening to better MF in LV seems a valuable one (assuming one is actually shooting raw).




  
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Apr 23, 2012 10:38 |  #2502

In about a year, I'll be upgrading my camera. I'm not sure if I'll be going 5D3 or D800. I've always shot Canon, but the D800 sure does produce some nice crops. I'm just a hobby photographer right now, so being able to pull detail like the D800 can from shadows is nice. I don't always nail the exposure right now, but then again I have a year to improve. Both certainly look like wonderful cameras, and I don't think either one would be a bad decision.


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Apr 23, 2012 11:15 |  #2503

whmeltonjr wrote in post #14313076 (external link)
I don't always nail the exposure right now, but then again I have a year to improve.

for me, shooting with manual lenses, forced me to look at the histogram and to take a more "zen" approach to "taking photos". That helped. But if you have a bad temper or a bad day (i had both) you could end up throwing your camera into the nearest wall.




  
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Apr 23, 2012 11:27 |  #2504

jubilatu wrote in post #14313263 (external link)
for me, shooting with manual lenses, forced me to look at the histogram and to take a more "zen" approach to "taking photos". That helped. But if you have a bad temper or a bad day (i had both) you could end up throwing your camera into the nearest wall.

I've actually been considering grabbing a manual 35mm lens in the not too distant future. I normally expose my photos pretty well, as long as I don't accidentally bump the wheel and set everything to underexpose two full stops :lol::o


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Apr 23, 2012 11:59 |  #2505

whmeltonjr wrote in post #14313320 (external link)
I normally expose my photos pretty well, as long as I don't accidentally bump the wheel and set everything to underexpose two full stops :lol::o

buy a NEX - they are button-less. except for video button that is permanently pressed by mistake.




  
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