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May 01, 2012 22:25 |  #16

I've had the 60d and currently shoot a 5d and 50d. I didn't really like the files the 60d, or the 50d for that matter, produces. It's not something I can quantify, but I assume it has to do with pixel density.

Although the 5d and 60d are pretty similar in high iso performance, with the 60d having a higher native iso, the noise from the 5d is, IMO, nicer. It has more of a film grain look to it.

So far for me, the 5d and 1dmkii have been my favorite cameras from a pure image standpoint. The 5d is a bit awkward to use, but I simply love shooting with it. Even when my 5diii finally comes in, I will keep using the 5d; and to me that says alot.


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May 01, 2012 22:29 as a reply to  @ post 14364064 |  #17

they are both great cameras.
the 60d probably has a little better high ISO handling and definitely has a better AF system.

I have a 60d and its a fantastic all around camera. However, I do not shoot professionally and I try not to shoot people that are posing.
I prefer wildlife and sports stuff.

you cant go wrong with either, but when I had the choice to make, I went with the 60d.
you could get a 50d for about $600 which is one hell of a camera too.
or a 7d for 1100 which is great too.



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May 01, 2012 22:30 |  #18

LowriderS10 wrote in post #14364028 (external link)
I've heard a lot about the dust problems, but from my experience it's been a non-issue. In fact, some of my previous cameras equipped with sensor cleaning (ie: 1D3) were way more dusty than my 5Dc...I haven't noticed a single speck of dust on mine in the 4 months I've had it.

Mine is a dust magnet! But I do change lens's constantly, and in less than desirable places. I also own three large dogs, and even though we keep a very clean house, I imagine the amount a dander in my house definitely contributes to my dust issues. Nothing a bulb blower and a wet clean can't take care of though.


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May 01, 2012 22:35 |  #19

JoshuaRoss wrote in post #14364064 (external link)
That's good to know, I will take care of it so it shouldn't be a problem :) where did you guy yours from? And how is the autofocus?

I got mine off this message board :) Umm...the AF is okay. I absolutely HATE the spread...it's shameful..and since the centre point is the only cross-type, that's all I use...it's worked pretty well, though, but it's definitely one of the camera's weak points.

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Mine is a dust magnet! But I do change lens's constantly, and in less than desirable places. I also own three large dogs, and even though we keep a very clean house, I imagine the amount a dander in my house definitely contributes to my dust issues. Nothing a bulb blower and a wet clean can't take care of though.

What year is yours? Mine's a 2008 and I'm wondering if they did something to fix the dust problem? I do'nt change lenses too often, but I change more often than I did on my 1D3 and have less problems.


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May 01, 2012 22:46 |  #20

LowriderS10 wrote in post #14364167 (external link)
I got mine off this message board :) Umm...the AF is okay. I absolutely HATE the spread...it's shameful..and since the centre point is the only cross-type, that's all I use...it's worked pretty well, though, but it's definitely one of the camera's weak points.



What year is yours? Mine's a 2008 and I'm wondering if they did something to fix the dust problem? I do'nt change lenses too often, but I change more often than I did on my 1D3 and have less problems.

2007. I change lenses more often on the 5d than on any of my other bodies. I don't think it is really any worse than anything else I have ever owned. The in camera sensor cleaning is the last feature I would require on any camera. I don't think it really does anything that a rocket blower couldn't. I also shoot regularly at f16+ unless I am using my ts-e or ultrawide, so the dust is noticeable.

The AF is pretty bad on the outer points, but the center point is super relaible. I manually focus more often than not anyway, and I didn't really notice the AF until I tested it out after reading some reviews.

The only things I miss about the 60d is the amazing screen and the built in electronic level.


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May 01, 2012 22:53 |  #21

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How does the 5dc have better image quality then the 60d? Just when looking at megapixels the 60d has 6 more and I know megapixels isn't a big deal, but I think when comparing 6 megapixels over 6 years it could make a big difference. I do agree though that the 5dc just renders images nicely especially with skin tones

I'm not certain how the number of megapixels ultimately affects things. I know folks say it will show more resolution and detail as megapixels go up in general (especially when cropping), but I'm sure other factors are also operating, but not being an engineer, I don't really know. As far as image quality of the 5Dc vs. the 60d and the 18 megapixel sensor, obviously everyone has to use their own judgement. Here are 4 images taken at the same place (not at the same time) with a 7D, a 5DII, a 5Dc, and an A2E 35mm film slr. I'm making no claims as to any universal or scientific validity of these images, I just happened to have them handy and they demonstrate one person's results with various size sensors, and some film thrown in. The 7D, 5DII and A2E all had the 70-200mm f/4L non IS on them, the 5Dc had the 24-105mm L IS.


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May 01, 2012 22:57 |  #22

Jason L wrote in post #14364226 (external link)
2007. I change lenses more often on the 5d than on any of my other bodies. I don't think it is really any worse than anything else I have ever owned. The in camera sensor cleaning is the last feature I would require on any camera. I don't think it really does anything that a rocket blower couldn't. I also shoot regularly at f16+ unless I am using my ts-e or ultrawide, so the dust is noticeable.

The AF is pretty bad on the outer points, but the center point is super relaible. I manually focus more often than not anyway, and I didn't really notice the AF until I tested it out after reading some reviews.

The only things I miss about the 60d is the amazing screen and the built in electronic level.

Ahhh...I wish the 5D2 had the electronic level. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the 5Dc isn't any worse than anything else for dust...that's been my experience. I've owned 7 Canon DSLRs so far, some with the anti-dust feature, and they've all been relatively the same...from all I can tell a quick blast from a Rocket Blower is worth a thousand little shakes of the sensor...I agree that it's the last feature I'd ever base my opinion on when buying a camera haha.


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May 02, 2012 09:49 as a reply to  @ LowriderS10's post |  #23

Thank guys for all the advice. 5dc here I come :) is there a way you can just use the center point to focus? I'm afraid if I use the other focus points it might do something weird idk haha I have never used an "old" camera before but I'm sure I will figure it out.

I know that full frame tends to seek out the flaws in a lens, do you think I will still get good images using 50 1.4 and 85 1.8? Don't really have money right now for L glass :cry:




  
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May 02, 2012 10:29 |  #24

You should get very sharp images with the 85 1.8. I'd stop down a bit on the 50 1.4 though, at least f/2 and up. You should have no trouble with the center point. Just lock focus on your target and you should be good to go. You can also recompose the shot a bit once you have focus lock, but if your depth of field is too shallow and you recompose you may lose focus a bit on your original target.


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May 02, 2012 10:50 as a reply to  @ vorlon1's post |  #25

What is recomposing? Sorry kind of new with photography :P what is your lens set up?




  
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May 02, 2012 11:28 |  #26

Recomposing is when you focus on one thing and then move the camera to frame the subject differently, so, in other words, you are using center point focus to get your focus locked on your subject, and if the subject is where you want it in the frame you are ready to take the shot, but if you want the subject somewhere else in the frame, you lock focus and move the camera until you have the subject where you want in the frame, ie. recomposing. I frequently use a 24-105L but the 85 1.8 is a great lens and very sharp.


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May 02, 2012 12:25 |  #27

Jason L wrote in post #14364084 (external link)
Although the 5d and 60d are pretty similar in high iso performance, with the 60d having a higher native iso, the noise from the 5d is, IMO, nicer. It has more of a film grain look to it.

I agree. Even though the 5dc can expand to 3200 ISO, the noise that the 5dc does produce is a very fine grain that LR3 smooths out like butter. I use my 7d when I know I can't use flash (like a zoo) and need higher ISOs to increase my shutter speed. 7d's noise is a little blockier and not as "fine" as the 5dc's.




  
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May 02, 2012 12:36 |  #28

Does the 5dc do video? I don't think it does....and what products do you guys use to clean the sensor?




  
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May 02, 2012 13:47 |  #29

No the 5Dc does not do video. I just bought a Giottos rocketblower that should be here soon that i have seen recomended many times.


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May 02, 2012 14:20 |  #30

As much as I love my 60D, I would sell it and get a 5D tomorrow if I stopped shooting sports. The images it produces have this film-like quality I can't put my finger on.


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