Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
Thread started 06 Feb 2012 (Monday) 06:37
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 Di VC USD Announced!!! Stabilized 24-70!

 
davidc502
Goldmember
Avatar
3,457 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 32
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Tennessee
     
May 02, 2012 15:12 |  #1276

Kechar wrote in post #14366852 (external link)
Well the truth is...it's there whether we want to admit it or not.
It won't bother me though.
I Googled "night bokeh" and saw an awful lot of a absolutely beautiful portraits that had gorgeous bokeh with onioning in the balls. I have primes if I really get concerned anyways.

#1. Is this really a issue?
#2. Should it be reported to Tamron? Perhaps they need to know about it?


_
My Gear is ---> Here

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
Vixen89
Goldmember
Avatar
4,514 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Aug 2010
Location: D-Town, TX
     
May 02, 2012 15:25 |  #1277

davidc502 wrote in post #14367984 (external link)
#1. Is this really a issue?
#2. Should it be reported to Tamron? Perhaps they need to know about it?

well someone should tell Tamron, I owned their older lenses and they don't show it~


I'm actively lazy!! :D | Gear List | photovxn.com (under construction)external link

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
arentol
Goldmember
1,305 posts
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Seattle WA
     
May 02, 2012 15:55 |  #1278

davidc502 wrote in post #14367984 (external link)
#1. Is this really a issue?
#2. Should it be reported to Tamron? Perhaps they need to know about it?

#1 It is technically an issue, but it isn't really a problem unless you let it be... and as I explore later it is far from unique to this lens.
#2 Tamron knows.
#3 This "issue" happens on other lenses too. I believe that is what Kechar was getting at when he said "it's there whether we want to admit it or not."

For instance:

The night bokeh shots here from 2010, taken with a Nikon, not sure what lens, but 52 and 65mm respectively, so quite possibly the 24-70:
http://www.nomadicpurs​uits.com/5-creative-photo-tips/ (external link)

Also from 2010, only info is 430EX was the flash, so taken with a Canon camera.
http://sanyamstudios.c​om/blog/photo/bokeh-li-cious/ (external link)

Oniony ipad wallpaper?
http://ipad-wallpapers.co …eh-lights-ipad-wallpaper/ (external link)

Nov. 2008
http://www.flickr.com/​photos/juanx12/3094028​875/ (external link)

And the interesting thing is all the compliments people are getting for this bokeh.... They are proud of it, they like it, people viewing like it in spite of the onion.


5D3 | Rokinon 14 f/2.8 | 16-35L II | TS-E 24L | Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 | Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 | Voigtlander 40 f/2.0 | Σ 50 f/1.4 | MP-E 65 | 70-200 2.8L IS II | Σ 85 f/1.4 | Zeiss 100 f/2 | Σ 120-300 f/2.8 OS | 580 EX II | 430 EX II | Fuji X10 | OM-D E-M5 | http://www.mikehjphoto​.com/ (external link)
*****Lenses For Sale (external link)*****

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Vixen89
Goldmember
Avatar
4,514 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Aug 2010
Location: D-Town, TX
     
May 02, 2012 16:20 |  #1279

just looks unnatural to me..I am spoiled by a 135L and it's bokehlicious after all. lol


I'm actively lazy!! :D | Gear List | photovxn.com (under construction)external link

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bomzai
Senior Member
524 posts
Joined Apr 2008
Location: Bothell WA, US
     
May 02, 2012 16:34 |  #1280

Vixen89 wrote in post #14368340 (external link)
just looks unnatural to me..I am spoiled by a 135L and it's bokehlicious after all. lol

Well, it's 135mm... sure I don't see any onions at 200mm 2.8 either ;)


Camera: EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 70D, ™24-70mm f2.8 VC, EF 70-200mm IS f2.8 L II, EF 100mm IS f2.8 L Macro, EF-S 18-135 STM, Σ 12-24 II.
EOS 5D mkII, 20D, S100, EF 24-70mm f2.8 L, EF 24-105mm IS f4.0 L, EF 70-200mm IS f4.0 L, EF-S 18-200mm IS, EF 100mm f2.8 macro
Light: Sun, Speedlite 580EXII, 550EX, 430EX, EL-Skyports, Reflectors, Umbrellas, Diffusers etc.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kin2son
Goldmember
4,546 posts
Likes: 3
Joined May 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
     
May 02, 2012 16:48 |  #1281
bannedPermanent ban

This onion bokeh is really holding me back from upgrading my 24-105. It's not acceptable TO ME. Either Tamron has to release a version 2 soon, or heavily discount this lens.

I think it's going to happen very soon, people will start returning their 'faulty' lens back to b&h and such, they don't have much choice.


5D3 Gripped / 17-40L / Σ35 / 40 Pancake / Zeiss 50 MP / Σ85 / 100L Macro / 70-200 f2.8L II IS / 430 EX II / 580 EX II / Canon 2xIII TC / Kenko Ext. Tubes
EOS M / EF-M 18-55 / EF-M 22f2 / Ricoh GR aka Ultimate street camera :p
Flickr (external link) | My Images on Getty®‎ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Charlie
Guess What! I'm Pregnant!
15,068 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 5171
Joined Sep 2007
     
May 02, 2012 16:53 |  #1282

kin2son wrote in post #14368479 (external link)
This onion bokeh is really holding me back from upgrading my 24-105. It's not acceptable TO ME. Either Tamron has to release a version 2 soon, or heavily discount this lens.

I think it's going to happen very soon, people will start returning their 'faulty' lens back to b&h and such, they don't have much choice.

I wont be returning my faulty version :P

I think it only shows up under some really odd circumstances. It exists, but hasnt showed it's face much during my use so far. I will likely put up my L for sale within a week. There hasnt been anything to suggest that this lens is inferior except for the possible very very low light focusing. So far so good.


Sony A7rii/A7riii - FE 12-24/4 - FE 24-240 - FE 35/2.8 - SY 35/1.4 AF - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - EF 135/1.8 Art - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Astro Rok 14/2.8 - Tamron 28-75/2.8 RXD, 70-200/2.8 VC

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bomzai
Senior Member
524 posts
Joined Apr 2008
Location: Bothell WA, US
     
May 02, 2012 16:58 |  #1283

kin2son wrote in post #14368479 (external link)
This onion bokeh is really holding me back from upgrading my 24-105. It's not acceptable TO ME. Either Tamron has to release a version 2 soon, or heavily discount this lens.

I think it's going to happen very soon, people will start returning their 'faulty' lens back to b&h and such, they don't have much choice.

Well, Adorama finally got it in stock, so I just ordered one. I am going exactly that route 24-105->TM24-70VC.

Not sure if I can be happy with many lenses after 70-200II, but I decided to give this one a shot. Besides I really don't feel like dropping another $1K for Canon version without IS. I really wish they'd put IS there... but oh well, maybe sometime in next 6-10 years :)


Camera: EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 70D, ™24-70mm f2.8 VC, EF 70-200mm IS f2.8 L II, EF 100mm IS f2.8 L Macro, EF-S 18-135 STM, Σ 12-24 II.
EOS 5D mkII, 20D, S100, EF 24-70mm f2.8 L, EF 24-105mm IS f4.0 L, EF 70-200mm IS f4.0 L, EF-S 18-200mm IS, EF 100mm f2.8 macro
Light: Sun, Speedlite 580EXII, 550EX, 430EX, EL-Skyports, Reflectors, Umbrellas, Diffusers etc.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
fcruz
Hatchling
Avatar
7 posts
Joined May 2012
Location: Puerto Rico
     
May 02, 2012 17:29 as a reply to  @ bomzai's post |  #1284

more shots
Canon 60D

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image%2fjpeg'


IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image%2fjpeg'


IMAGE: http://i.minus.com/iCxswhupYvdI.jpg



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Vixen89
Goldmember
Avatar
4,514 posts
Likes: 11
Joined Aug 2010
Location: D-Town, TX
     
May 02, 2012 17:41 |  #1285

Charlie wrote in post #14368513 (external link)
I wont be returning my faulty version :P

I think it only shows up under some really odd circumstances. It exists, but hasnt showed it's face much during my use so far. I will likely put up my L for sale within a week. There hasnt been anything to suggest that this lens is inferior except for the possible very very low light focusing. So far so good.

I think it only shows upon bokeh highlights...the rest is fine ..just some people won't like it and etc.


I'm actively lazy!! :D | Gear List | photovxn.com (under construction)external link

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mike ­ cabilangan
Goldmember
Avatar
1,378 posts
Joined Apr 2010
Location: Metro Manila
     
May 02, 2012 18:07 |  #1286

Kechar wrote in post #14366696 (external link)
QUOTED IMAGE

if this highly cropped picture of bokeh balls didn't have the onions, it could have been framed or large-printed :rolleyes:

:p


camera bag reviews (external link)
flickr (external link)gearLust

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
thatkatmat
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
9,340 posts
Gallery: 41 photos
Likes: 193
Joined Jul 2007
Location: Seattle, don't move here, it's wet and cold
     
May 02, 2012 18:26 |  #1287

I like to think of them as Lizard Eyeballs rather than Onions


My Flickr (external link)
Stuff
"Never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut." -Jimmy Conway
a9, 12-24/4G, 24-70/2.8GM, 100-400GM, 25/2 Batis, 55/1.8ZA, 85 /1.8FE, 85LmkII, 135L...a6300,10-18/4, 16-50PZ, 18-105PZ

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
K6AZ
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
10,248 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 8
Joined Nov 2008
Location: Richmond VA USA
     
May 02, 2012 18:44 |  #1288

The bokeh is a non-issue for me. I appreciate all the images, I think this lens will work well for my purposes with the big thing being the VC and sharpness. I have about four weeks to wait for mine.


Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BrickR
Cream of the Crop
5,935 posts
Likes: 114
Joined Mar 2011
Location: Dallas TX
     
May 02, 2012 18:52 |  #1289

Tamron made quite an impressive lens. They're redoing the 70-200 as well... It will be this thread all over again. LOL


My junk
The grass isn't greener on the other side, it's green where you water it.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
arentol
Goldmember
1,305 posts
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Seattle WA
     
May 02, 2012 18:56 |  #1290

kin2son wrote in post #14368479 (external link)
This onion bokeh is really holding me back from upgrading my 24-105. It's not acceptable TO ME. Either Tamron has to release a version 2 soon, or heavily discount this lens.

I think it's going to happen very soon, people will start returning their 'faulty' lens back to b&h and such, they don't have much choice.

I don't think there will be more than a small handful of such returns, and if they are they won't be because the lens is "faulty" because of the "bokeh".

You just have no idea how small an issue this is. I have taken about 400 photos with my Tamron 24-70 VC and only a couple shots have onion bokeh that is visible without zooming, and then it is only just barely visible unzoomed, and you wouldn't even notice if you weren't looking for it.

The only person you will show your photos too that will see it 99% of the time is you and a few highly anal-retentive people on these forums.

Check out this post below from the 24-70L Archive thread...

https://photography-on-the.net …p=14293481&post​count=9447

I had to go back (from end of thread towards start) through over 150 posts to find this gem. You can see a little onioning in the first shots bokeh in the upper left corner if you zoom in, as well as some weird ghosting of background out-of-focus details on that and some of the other photos. They reason I am pointing this out is to show you just how rare it is that you will take photos that end up showing these kinds of weaknesses. The 150+ posts I looked at before that didn't include any photos that really had circular bokeh, and none large enough to potentially see this kind of issue in without zooming until this one. The same rareness should happen with the Tamron, perhaps not quite as rarely since the issue is more pronounced, but still it should be rare enough to not worry about it much.

How about this shot...

https://photography-on-the.net …p=14242592&post​count=9373

No onioning in the bokeh, but the bokeh at just F/4 is already going octagonal instead of round. The Tamron should have almost circular bokeh through f/5.6 (will look less circular when zoomed in to max of course).. Another tradeoff to be made along with VC vs. no VC, but again not something you will need to worry about 99% of the time with the Canon, let alone the Tamron.


5D3 | Rokinon 14 f/2.8 | 16-35L II | TS-E 24L | Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 | Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 | Voigtlander 40 f/2.0 | Σ 50 f/1.4 | MP-E 65 | 70-200 2.8L IS II | Σ 85 f/1.4 | Zeiss 100 f/2 | Σ 120-300 f/2.8 OS | 580 EX II | 430 EX II | Fuji X10 | OM-D E-M5 | http://www.mikehjphoto​.com/ (external link)
*****Lenses For Sale (external link)*****

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

392,475 views & 0 likes for this thread
Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 Di VC USD Announced!!! Stabilized 24-70!
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is max203
873 guests, 366 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 6430, that happened on Dec 03, 2017

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.