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Air shows shot with 70-200 only?

 
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May 02, 2012 12:12 |  #1

I just picked up a 70-200 lens for my T3i. I enjoy going to air shows and I know the 200mm may be short for this purpose. I am trying to decide if spending $$$ on a longer lens is necessary. I do have a 1.4x extender. I was hoping some would post pics shot just with this set up so I can see if spending yet more $$$ is a must.


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May 02, 2012 12:39 |  #2

I shoot mainly with the 70-200 2.8 and rarely have any complaints about the reach. I also had the 100-400L but sold it as I just didn't enjoy shooting with it. Here are some photos I just shot at Sun-n-Fun last month. Some cropping may have been done on some of them. More images can be found on my website.

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May 02, 2012 12:41 |  #3

Well put.


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May 02, 2012 15:51 |  #4

Well depends on the venue. At El Centro you need like a 500mm to reach the aircraft from where they put the crowds. That is funny you like the 70-200 for airshows. The most used lens I would guess is the 100-400mm for airshows. Gives great versatility.




  
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May 02, 2012 16:26 |  #5

seaninsa wrote in post #14368197 (external link)
That is funny you like the 70-200 for airshows. The most used lens I would guess is the 100-400mm for airshows. Gives great versatility.

I'm very familiar with the 100-400 as I stated above but didn't like it much. I find the push/pull focus awkward and the autofocus is slower than my 70-200. I would rather use a 1.4x or 2.0x with the 700-200 which would give the same reach, faster aperture, and better focus ability. I almost bought an extender but can't justify over $500 now for one.


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May 02, 2012 17:12 |  #6

So those shots are from a FF camera? So with a crop I will be MUCH closer. That is starting to sound better then. Those are some nice shots. I would be very happy if I can get close to that.


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May 02, 2012 18:06 |  #7

seaninsa wrote in post #14368197 (external link)
Well depends on the venue. At El Centro you need like a 500mm to reach the aircraft from where they put the crowds. That is funny you like the 70-200 for airshows. The most used lens I would guess is the 100-400mm for airshows. Gives great versatility.

Right, it does depend on the venue. At Wings over Camarillo I had to use the 1.4x on my 300 f2.8 much of the time. But Stan did a great job with only 200mm.


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May 02, 2012 18:18 |  #8

173mm

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148mm
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170mm
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200mm
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78mm ;)
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May 02, 2012 18:21 as a reply to  @ FlyingPhotog's post |  #9

Stan,
Very nice photos, (as are those from others as well)! How do you set up for a shot like the one where the jets are in the line of the sun. Did you anticipate the flight path? Or did you set your exposure for it and hope they eventually went there? or ??
would you mind elaborating?
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May 02, 2012 18:41 |  #10

Most of my published airshow shots were done on a Sigma 400 f5.6 and a Sigma 600 F8. But these shots at 70-200 are excellent and shows what you can do providing you can get near enough.


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May 02, 2012 18:49 |  #11

Dean_Fuller wrote in post #14368601 (external link)
So those shots are from a FF camera? So with a crop I will be MUCH closer. That is starting to sound better then. Those are some nice shots. I would be very happy if I can get close to that.

Exif shows those shot with a 1D MK III, which is a 10mp 1.3 crop camera, not FF.

Since the T3i is a 1.6 crop camera, your shots at 200mm will have the same fov as if a 246mm lens was used on Stan's camera. So yes, your shots will appear closer. And you have 18mp to crop with.


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May 02, 2012 18:51 |  #12

Haswell wrote in post #14369099 (external link)
Most of my published airshow shots were done on a Sigma 400 f5.6 and a Sigma 600 F8. But these shots at 70-200 are excellent and shows what you can do providing you can get near enough.

My "normal" arsenal is a 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4 + TCs from time to time.

Just added a third body so I think my lineup going forward:
500mm + MkIII
300mm + MkIV
70-200 + MkIV

The ability to crop the MkIVs more than the MkIII will probably mitigate the need for TCs somewhat which means better IQ overall.


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May 03, 2012 06:28 |  #13

John37 wrote in post #14369000 (external link)
Stan,
Very nice photos, (as are those from others as well)! How do you set up for a shot like the one where the jets are in the line of the sun. Did you anticipate the flight path? Or did you set your exposure for it and hope they eventually went there? or ??
would you mind elaborating?
Thank you!

Thanks John. The shot you are referring to was one of the few times that the Thunderbirds flew ninety degrees to the runway essentially flying directly over our heads. I can't say the shot was totally planned but as they approached I was aware of the suns position and seconds beforehand knew I wanted to try a silhouette. I repositioned my view for directly into the sun which predictably underexposed the aircraft. I believe I was shooting in TV mode.


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May 03, 2012 10:13 |  #14

Which brings up another question.

Using a 70-200 2.8 II with a 1.6 crop camera in bright daylight. What stop is best for sharpness on this lens? Shooting propeller driven aircraft...what shutter speed is recommended to capture a sharp body but a blurred prop?


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May 03, 2012 14:52 |  #15

I'm taking my 50D with the 70-200 f/4 for in close (and static) stuff and my 7D with the 100-400 for the aerial this year. Looking forward to having a choice on the ground and not having to swap lenses around spinning blades.

Still trying to figure out the sweet spot for the 7D. It doesn't appear to need to be set as low as the 50D.

to the OP: for what its worth. 1/100 is a great ss for prop blur if you can keep it steady. But as I was saying above, my 7D gets the same results at higher speeds....like 1/160 for example. If you can, head to a local airfield and dial it in in advance of going to a show. :)

I'm only in my 2nd full year so take what I say with a grain of salt but I spend just about a full day a week at my local airstrip practising haha.

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