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May 05, 2012 21:22 as a reply to  @ post 14385647 |  #76

Steve of Cornubia wrote in post #14376410 (external link)
Methinks Amanda should provide us with some business tuition!

charging those rates, sorry, not the person to be teaching biz skills. You can't make a profit off those numbers, better to shoot for free until you can charger proper money

Numenorean wrote in post #14379660 (external link)
What? The photos on the website are horrible and IMO she should not be charging people yet.

Harsh but honestly I think there is a lot of learning needed before charging

KurtGoss wrote in post #14381179 (external link)
This entire thread is a perfect example of the negative tone that has plagued this Forum. Someone reaches out for help, and they get sarcasm back.

I think there is a neg tone on this forum, I've had it happen to myself. But this thread wasn't "I went to the zoo and shoot forgot my card" this was a session with a client, free or not free if you call the person you are shooting a "client" it's biz. And it's a stupid mistake and not having a back up card yet having a website and biz is silly, should have a back up everything.

JDPhotoGuy wrote in post #14381334 (external link)
Look where this thread was posted. It's in the business section. The OP represented herself as having done this on the job (charging $0 or $1000 is moot IMO. She represented herself as a professional). The shock at the responses received is a bit like dressing up like a seal, swimming to Seal Island, and being shocked when you get eaten by a great white... What in the world did everyone expect?

I don't mind keeping the kid gloves on but there comes a point when it's ridiculous... If someone wants to say "if you have to ask this question, you have no business representing yourself as a knowledgeable professional.." yes it's harsh, but it's true. While it's not helping her immediate predicament, in this case, I think it's the best advice anyone could give.

We'd be remiss if we did not point out that she's grossly in over her head. Otherwise, we're nice in this thread and have to offer our sympathies in her next when she's ranting about being sued...

+1 on this one.


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May 05, 2012 22:16 |  #77

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charging those rates, sorry, not the person to be teaching biz skills. You can't make a profit off those numbers, better to shoot for free until you can charger proper money

Harsh but honestly I think there is a lot of learning needed before charging

I think there is a neg tone on this forum, I've had it happen to myself. But this thread wasn't "I went to the zoo and shoot forgot my card" this was a session with a client, free or not free if you call the person you are shooting a "client" it's biz. And it's a stupid mistake and not having a back up card yet having a website and biz is silly, should have a back up everything.

+1 on this one.


I have to pretty much agree also. Once you start a business and start providing a service to the public, the onus is on you to know your equipment and how to use it to get the job done in a professional manner.
I really am not trying to be rude or to harsh on the op, but once you move from being a hobbyist to a professional running a business no matter how small, there are no excuses for failing to deliver on such an oversight as not knowing your equipment.


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May 05, 2012 23:03 |  #78

the epitome of making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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May 05, 2012 23:07 |  #79

JDPhotoGuy wrote in post #14381334 (external link)
Look where this thread was posted. It's in the business section. The OP represented herself as having done this on the job (charging $0 or $1000 is moot IMO. She represented herself as a professional). The shock at the responses received is a bit like dressing up like a seal, swimming to Seal Island, and being shocked when you get eaten by a great white... What in the world did everyone expect?

I don't mind keeping the kid gloves on but there comes a point when it's ridiculous... If someone wants to say "if you have to ask this question, you have no business representing yourself as a knowledgeable professional.." yes it's harsh, but it's true. While it's not helping her immediate predicament, in this case, I think it's the best advice anyone could give.

We'd be remiss if we did not point out that she's grossly in over her head. Otherwise, we're nice in this thread and have to offer our sympathies in her next when she's ranting about being sued...

This is the best post in this thread.
The reason it stings the OP is because it's true and sometimes truth hurts.
Sometimes a slap in the face like this is what's needed.

The OP made at least 6 basic errors...
Forgot the card...
Didn't have a spare...
Ignored the "no card" warnings that would have been displayed...
Obviously didn't try to review the images (otherwise she would have been aware nothing was being saved)...
Made a massive assumption about what the camera could do...
Didn't read the manual thoroughly (otherwise she would have known that there was no internal memory)
None of these on their own would have been a problem, but as with all "disasters", put a combination of inconsequential incidents together in the correct order and...
KAPOW....big problem.


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May 06, 2012 01:53 |  #80

Absolutely Fabulous wrote in post #14385689 (external link)
charging those rates, sorry, not the person to be teaching biz skills. You can't make a profit off those numbers, better to shoot for free until you can charger proper money

I understand the point you're making, but my point was that a willingness to get out there and give it a go is the single most important step in turning pro. Of course it doesn't guarantee success - most new businesses fail within two years - but the old saying couldn't be more appropriate than in this case:

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May 06, 2012 01:57 |  #81

one of those things to put down to "learning experience"

youll never make that mistake again.


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May 06, 2012 04:29 as a reply to  @ post 14385647 |  #82

AmandaLeigh wrote in post #14383865 (external link)
My website still has several photos taken with my Canon powershot, not my rebel. I'm slowly updating it, as I've busy busy the last few weeks. Can you seriously say that the photos in the events category are horrible?!

Why should that matter?
There are many people out there, producing great images with powershot and similar cameras.
Blaming the camera for your lack of skills, shows that you have no concept of what photography is about.
And why would you even show them, if that is how you feel? I sure as hell don't show my clients anything that I don't stand behind 100%.

And yes. I can seriously say that the photos in your "events category" are in fact horrible.

AmandaLeigh wrote in post #14383888 (external link)
You seem to think that I just decided to buy a DSLR and that I JUST started shooting. No, I've been into photography for five years. I've worked my ass off getting to where I am today. I know about photography, I read and learn about it always and as much as I can. In the past year alone I've learned so much more. I may not know everything yet, but I certainly know how to properly work a camera. I am not saying I don't have a long way to go because I know I do. But I feel that I am finally in the place of beginning to charge people, and it's not some crazy amount. It's an affordable price that reflects the quality of my work, and if you don't think that, well that's not my problem. I'm not photographing you now am I?

I call BS on the claim that you "work your ass off" and "read and learn about it as much as much as you can".
If that was true, you could not be asking questions like the one in this thread.
It is clear that you have not even read the manual to your camera and that is about as basic as it gets. But however basic it may be, the manual is still a valuable source of information. Especially when you don't even understand the basics of your camera's function and use.
Even after a couple decades of shooting (mainly Canon when it comes to SLR's and DSLR's), the first thing I do when getting a new piece of kit, is to read the manual cover to cover. And I still learn important things that way.

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May 06, 2012 05:29 |  #83
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quiksquirrel wrote in post #14386925 (external link)
And yes. I can seriously say that the photos in your "events category" are in fact horrible.

You should request her address, so you can fly over from Denmark and give her a slap in the face. Maybe give her dog a quick kick too.

This thread is disgusting on so many levels. I took one look at Amanda's website and realized that she is young and a beginner. And yet there seems to be so many people here that need to take a swing. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves...

It's a sad reflection of our current society.




  
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May 06, 2012 05:52 |  #84

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May 06, 2012 06:50 |  #85

KurtGoss wrote in post #14387003 (external link)
You should request her address, so you can fly over from Denmark and give her a slap in the face. Maybe give her dog a quick kick too.

This thread is disgusting on so many levels. I took one look at Amanda's website and realized that she is young and a beginner. And yet there seems to be so many people here that need to take a swing. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves...

It's a sad reflection of our current society.

She asked, and she got an answer. I don't sugarcoat things just so that a little girl can feel good about herself and keep making the same mistakes.

Being young is not a crime. Neither is being a beginner. We have all been in both groups at some point in our lives.
But slapping on a "pro-badge" and thinking that is all it takes, is at best a big mistake.

It is quite clear that she has very little knowledge and experience. And from what I can see, no real interest in either.
If you call yourself a professional and start charging people for your services, before you even understand the role memory cards play in digital photography, or the basic function and use of your most important tool, you NEED a slap in the face.

What people NEED to hear and what they WANT to hear, are rarely the same thing. And in cases like this, what she needs to hear is the truth. The truth can hurt, but it is a necessary pain.

People like you, who play the nice and supportive card and even go as far as making excuses for her, are in my book the worst bastards of all. They give bad advise, that if taken, will only set her up to fail even worse in the future.

And worst of all. Unless you are just talking out your arse and have no real knowledge, you are doing it knowingly.
How big an arsehole must one be to knowingly set someone up to fail?




  
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May 06, 2012 08:11 |  #86

Steve of Cornubia wrote in post #14386640 (external link)
I understand the point you're making, but my point was that a willingness to get out there and give it a go is the single most important step in turning pro.

No, the single most important step in turning pro is to prepare yourself for the responsibility you're about to take on.

I hope you don't feel the same way about brain surgeons.




  
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May 06, 2012 08:57 |  #87

The young lady made a mistake. She asked for help and instead found herself confronted by a tribe of chest thumping baboons trying to show their superiority. Time to take your act elsewhere, you've done ample damage here.


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May 06, 2012 09:05 |  #88

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The young lady made a mistake. She asked for help and instead found herself confronted by a tribe of chest thumping baboons trying to show their superiority. Time to take your act elsewhere, you've done ample damage here.

Worth repeating.


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May 06, 2012 09:06 |  #89

This thread has run it's course and is now closed. Thank you to all those that gave good advice and to those who were rude, please try harder next time to hold back or don't post as some of the people new to this forum need help, not a lecture.


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