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May 03, 2012 03:08 |  #1

My head is spinning after reading like 50 pages of Grip 101 and various other threads.

Here's my situation.

I have a couple Genesis 200 as well as couple Canon Speedlites. I have a whole bunch of modifiers, most I'd say in middle size range (soft boxes, umbrellas, etc.). Looking to add a Kacey BD probably with my Genesis, but might eventually get the speedlite adapter as well.

So, after much research, I think I've narrowed down to:

Avenger
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Turtle_Base_Ce​ntury.html (external link)

Probably go with the turtle base, although I doubt it'll ever leave the house, but just in case, just a few bucks more.

Now for the questions. Help me understand. Can I attach a Genesis or Speedlite on a Flash Zebra umbrella mount to the grip arm end? Or do I need an adapter of some sort.

I saw a few posts about baby pins and what not to allow more clearance or movement, but then I saw conflicting reports about not working well with Elinchrome (aka Genesis) mounts.

Also, does the baby pin fit on the grip arm, or do you need another head to mount?

The other option is to go with the CHeetah C stand set up which has 5/8 on both ends of the arm and is about $75 cheaper. Maybe not as great as an avenger, but probably good enough for my gear (or maybe not, you let me know). And not sure what or if I can get adapters/baby pins to have the same movement.

Most likely use is going to be the Kacey BD and maybe an occasional mid sized soft box.

thanks for the help.


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May 04, 2012 21:07 |  #2

the sound of crickets....

No one?

Anyway, I continued to do more research. I think I'm going to go with the avenger turtle base kit.

Oddly at Adorama, if you order the black one, you get free shipping. Seems to be the same exact set up.

I think I figured out that the rods are 5/8, therefore you can hook up a light directly. But obviously a drop down pin gives you more options.

The umbrella adapter mount I need to investigate more. But I'm assuming the same, but maybe I got my adapter sizes all messed up.

I guess last question I've found conflicting info is with the E700 being able to fit Elinchrome lights. Maybe it was just an issue with a particular boom arm, but if anyone is using E700 with Elinchrome without troubles, please let me know.


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May 04, 2012 21:16 as a reply to  @ weegee's post |  #3

Glad you got it sorted out!
Wish I could have helped, but I don't have any first hand experience with those specific pieces.

One word of caution however, if you hang a mono head with some kind of soft box on a boom arm, you might find the need to counterbalance the arm. C stands are notoriously stable, but it's possible to reach a tipping point if you extend too far without the addition of a counter weight. Sometimes even a sandbag at the base of the stand is helpful.

Anyway...best of luck.


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May 05, 2012 11:03 |  #4

As you already figured out the arm is 5/8 so your strobes will fit right on and so should your umbrella mount. The C-stand grip head/arm combo is just a great setup to have and very stable. I use mine with a Elinchrom Bx500ri and 53" octal without any trouble, counter weight/sandbaging the base just depends on how far you are extending the arm. It also makes a good reflector holder with a couple of small A clamps. It really is one of those pieces of kit everyone should have. If you have never had stands or grip gear like this before I think you may be surprised at just how beefy it is.


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May 05, 2012 11:44 |  #5

You want the E650 baby pin not the E700. The E650 drops straight into place in the grip-head allowing you to more more easily attach a strobe and adjust its angle. Make sure you properly sandbag the base.


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May 05, 2012 16:32 |  #6

thanks for the help, guys.

On the E650, how does it attach to the arm? Or does it attach to the grip head. Trying visualize how it's able to dangle down.

Others have recommended the E700. Now I'm confused. Is the E700 same thing just that it mounts at end of the arm giving you that right angle?


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May 05, 2012 19:49 |  #7

Per my note above the E650 drops straight into the grip head - it's head stops is falling through and the other end provides a spigot to attach your strobe to. . The E700 is more for use on a boom arm like the D600.


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May 05, 2012 19:57 |  #8

excellent. you're right, had it there already, but I read through it too quickly. Nice, the E650 is cheaper too. Finally, saving money from this website : )


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May 05, 2012 20:27 |  #9

No probs. Here are a couple of pics to show what I meant:

E650 pin in a grip head (actually its a Matthews pin but same thing) - http://img809.imagesha​ck.us/img809/3456/imag​eqhx.jpg (external link)

E700 drop down pin on a D600 boom - http://img707.imagesha​ck.us/img707/2046/imag​emuf.jpg (external link)


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May 05, 2012 21:27 |  #10

I like using E700 the drop down pin on my 40" grip arm.


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May 06, 2012 04:49 |  #11

When using a grip head I prefer the E650 as it allows an additional rotation adjustment (ie. by spinning the pin) to fine tune the angle of the strobe... otherwise with the E700 you need to either loosen the strobe or move the whole light-stand.


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May 06, 2012 16:55 |  #12

I'm assuming the E650 will work on a Matthews set up as well, correct?

Samy's has a deal right now for $140 for the Matthews kit without turtle base or $170 with. No sales tax. Looked pretty similar to the Avenger set up.


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May 06, 2012 21:42 |  #13

Yes and Matthews also offer the same thing: http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …99_6_Pin_with_C​ollar.html (external link)

Matthews or Avenger... you can't go wrong.


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May 06, 2012 23:58 |  #14

excellent. thanks so much.


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