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May 12, 2012 23:39 as a reply to  @ post 14413105 |  #301

Trying something different here with Photomatix.

Upon inspection, this just looks like your typical aged photo processing of a valley photo. But on closer inspection half the valley is in the shadows. I ran the photo through Photomatix to process it for the most "natural" look, then "aged" the photo in LR. Not the best composition, but i thought it was interesting to play around.

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I saw this today while I was in Pacifica, CA when the Sun was peeking out of the fog. I left the sky slightly blown out for better contrast as it was the sun.

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May 14, 2012 13:54 as a reply to  @ imjason's post |  #302

I've posted this one before but it's been a while. And since there have been a few tractor type shots recently I thought I post my Backhoe. At least that's what I think it is.

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May 14, 2012 14:03 |  #303

imjason wrote in post #14423225 (external link)
Trying something different here with Photomatix.

Upon inspection, this just looks like your typical aged photo processing of a valley photo. But on closer inspection half the valley is in the shadows. I ran the photo through Photomatix to process it for the most "natural" look, then "aged" the photo in LR. Not the best composition, but i thought it was interesting to play around.

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I like the idea of that. Something I toyed with with my last urban explore location but I didn't follow it through in the end. I wanted them in a more film style & I didn't think it would look natural in that style while also being a HDR underneath the surface.....

Good work though - Certainly needs experimenting with :)


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May 15, 2012 05:59 as a reply to  @ LeeRatters's post |  #304

Here's one from last summer. 7 stop bracket. 3 over, 3 under, and the normal.

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May 16, 2012 05:46 |  #305

R1200GS wrote in post #14430428 (external link)
I've posted this one before but it's been a while. And since there have been a few tractor type shots recently I thought I post my Backhoe. At least that's what I think it is.

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I believe it is a skidder. They are used for skidding logs or trees to a landing. Nice job on you're "grunge type" processing.


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May 18, 2012 09:49 |  #306

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Well, since I seem to have started the negative side of this, I'll just pull out and let them have at it. Thanks for the honest words, Jason. Your comments were spot on. I'm just sick of the newbies trying to come in and redefine what HDR is without learning what it is supposed to be first.

Just felt like sharing that this "newbie" was contacted by an organization in Washington DC to use my photos that "you wouldn't put your name on" in a print campaign they are going to be running over the summer.

So like I said...I will keep putting my name on them no problem at all. ;)


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May 18, 2012 12:36 |  #307

@ mattpugs - Congratulations - the more clients want to use images you have made, the more you are going to have to learn how to take criticism. Gary was neither disrespectful nor was he harsh - he was giving his opinion of your images. You may not like the way he did it, but there was no ad hominem, personal animosity, simply his assessment of the images you posted.

If someone has decided that they want to use your images for a project that is great. However, there will always be a give and take between your vision and the client's. Be prepared to accept criticism and take it professionally, not personally.

In reviewing this thread, the comments stem from your images of the Capitol Building, if I am correct. Those images appear to be shot in overcast light with a dynamic range of the scene that probably did not require HDR image acquisition and processing. The processing has the signature Photomatix look where coal dust gets deposited over everything and there is a bluish cast, with a greenish-yellowish tint to the building. If this look is what you are after, then mission accomplished. That statement is not meant as a slight, it is just a recapitulation of what I see of my display and I genuinely mean that if that is the look you are going for, then you hit it.

What Gary was stating, if I may try to interpret, is that this image is an example of a shot processed in Photomatix, but not one that required HDR acquisition and, likely given the comment about putting a signature on it, one that he did not particularly find appealing. That is his opinion. So what? I did not find his statement harsh, but truthful.

The statement about "newbies" redefining HDR has merit in that a lot of people who are new to HDR imaging sometimes do not understand the motivation or the concepts behind HDR, but rather read a tutorial or two on the interwebs and shoot a +/- exposure sequence, run it through Photomatix and call it "HDR." Unfortunately, "HDR" has become synonymous with the look rather than the actual imaging technique and the lack of distinction between the two often rumples the feathers of people who have taken the time to explore the basis and application of HDR imaging techniques. These people, like me, are often pejoratively referred to as "purists" - as in "don't worry about what the HDR purists are saying about your work, if you and your clients like it then who cares what they think?" Thus, Gary's statement that "newbies" are redefining HDR - in a sense his statement is correct because of the lack of understanding a newcomer often has of the difference between the "look" and the actual technique.

This does not mean you cannot shoot a 3 image exposure sequence for a scene that requires only a single exposure and then run the sequence through Photomatix and get an output image you (and others) like. There is no rule that says you MUST only use HDR imaging for scene that actually possess a high dynamic range - you can do whatever you like! However, simply adopting an HDR workflow does not make your image "HDR" per se - the scene defines the dynamic range.

THere is no need for newcomers to the forum to get all up in arms about posting their work here, or taking down images in protest - just understand that there are experienced folks here who have opinions, ostensibly ones that you and others are seeking. That being said, if someone really is being offensive or attacking you personally, then you absolutely should report it to the mods. That did not happen in this case, as I'm sure you will agree.

If you do not like criticism, but rather want people to respond with things like "those are cool!" then you are probably not going to learn much. If you like what you are producing, then you probably don't need to learn much more to be satisfied. If, however, you want to benefit from others' perspective and experience, then this is the place to have a dialog.

Have fun, and good luck with your project.

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May 18, 2012 16:26 |  #308

From being a member on POTN for just a handful of months I have learned plenty of how members operate here. Out of all the forums I frequent THIS place offers destructive criticism, not constructive. His post said I don't know what you are trying to show here and we wouldn't put our name on it, etc. Bashed a brand new guy for something he posted.

This is a photomatix thread...not a "I'm a Pro HDR Photog" thread...my images have been corrected since posting them in here. Instead of destructive comments like what I got and the other guy how about lend some advice lol...pretty simple. As for being an HDR noob...maybe I am to this thread but I have been doing HDR for years now. I do it MY style and MY way...I post in here for critique sure, but not like that...it is stupid and doesn't help anyone improve at ANYTHING. Basically you said it perfectly in your post, it was an opinion...far from a critique on any part.

Like I said in earlier posts I am unemployed and have been selling my HDR's for the past year...to people I never even met before so obviously something I am doing must be working. I just felt the need to share my most recent request from the DC project HERE since I was spoken to that way. As I said those will be the last images I ever post because obviously I am not "pro" enough to be here...I'll just utilize the for sale area and stick to my personal camera forum where we give constructive criticism and don't noob bash.


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May 18, 2012 17:57 |  #309

mattpugs wrote in post #14452183 (external link)
Like I said in earlier posts I am unemployed and have been selling my HDR's for the past year...to people I never even met before so obviously something I am doing must be working.

I've tried to get that point across here before and i was chewed up on my work and that's the reason i quit posting in this topic . Just like you said it's a Photomatix topic , not a Pro HDR topic . But what your doing does sell and you have proof from your sales but i not yet have heard anyone yet say they have sold their Pro HDR images period . So you just keep doing what you do and posting and just shrug off what critics are sayin . Until their Pro HDR work is paying bills they have no room to talk !




  
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May 18, 2012 18:23 |  #310

You guys are missing the point. I'm glad you're doing your thing and enjoying it.

All criticism is subjective opinion. The dynamic range of a scene is not. Making an image of that scene is. Some people will like your interpretation, some won't. Your image got a reaction that was negative. I was suggesting that your reaction was a little personal, with others agreeing about harshness and disrespect and taking down images and noob bashing. I think that was being a tad sensitive. I'm sorry that you experienced it that way.

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May 21, 2012 15:49 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #311

My last few urban explore locations have been old houses & although I shot for HDR at the time, I ended up processing in a single shot, brightish, filmish style as I just thought it suited the feel of the places better than what I could get with the HDR's.

I was worried I was losing my HDR mojo so the 4/5 images from this Mill I tried as HDR & am happy with them :)

Phew :)

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May 22, 2012 16:58 |  #312

playing with HDR and Aging again:

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May 22, 2012 18:29 as a reply to  @ imjason's post |  #313

On the whole HDR vs non-HDR thing, at some point it's moot. All this stuff about high vs low dynamic range isnt going to matter in a few years. Already cameras are able to capture higher and higher dynamic ranges, and at some point it seems likely that you will not need more than 1 exposure. What will happen then? Some people will process their images to look as natural as possible, while others will go for the 'painter' or 'grunge' look. Some people will like natural and say the grunge is overdone, and some people will like grunge and say that natural is boring. IMHO, the best thing you can do is to process your images in a way that makes you happy, and if you can sell them, more power to you. But if you are going to post in a forum like this, you should expect C&C, and when you are producing some more exotic images some people wont like them. Learn to let comments like 'I wouldnt put my name to it' as an indication that the commenter likes other styles. Likewise 'overdone' is in the eye of the beholder. One great thing about the internet and forums like these is that it allows people to share and learn. One bad thing is that comments often get taken out of context (there is no voice inflexion on the net). take criticism and praise in the same way, and you'll be much better off


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May 22, 2012 19:36 as a reply to  @ colinm85's post |  #314

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