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May 15, 2012 16:02 |  #16

I'd expect around 2k and it would be a hit with the birding crowd. I assume it would still only focus at 5.6, rather than f8 - can't have it eating into potential 1DX sales.

If it crams in the ISO performance of the 5D3 along with the AF, it's easily worth 2 grand.

It says APC-C, so it's 1.6 crop. I think the XXD line might continue down the path forged by the 60D, leaving the 7DX, 5DX and 1DX series cameras as the only magnesium-bodied units. Makes sense for Canon, better margins that way.

1.3 crop is dead. The 1D moved full-frame and talk of killing off APS-H has been around for years. I wouldn't expect to see another 1.3 crop camera from Canon, ever. Too much overhead for a limited-use platform.


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May 15, 2012 17:50 |  #17

Why are people so attached to the APS-H format? Sure it was a good sensor size. It's neither here nor there. But with the new tech in APS-C sensors, there really isn't much gain with the H format. Even SoNikon doesn't have have an APS-H type sensor and they are doing fine.

I rather Canon use that money towards R&D in sensor tech.


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May 16, 2012 00:54 as a reply to  @ delhi's post |  #18

if only this had been released a few months ago.....in time for Classic LeMans in July!! :cool:




  
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May 16, 2012 04:33 |  #19

I'm hoping for 24MP or more, as a wildlife camera, to go with an updated 100-400 and the new 200-400. Good dynamic range would also be help'ful, since fill flash isn't an option when you're shooting wildlife at 10fps.




  
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May 16, 2012 09:26 |  #20

jrbdmb wrote in post #14436036 (external link)
Only problems is that's not a APS-C 7D follow-up but an entirely new camera, and there's little chance that Canon would spec out a camera like that for only $2000.

You're probably right, then keep it with APS-C, but give it the ability to AF at f/8 anyways. In other words, give birders the ultimate camera, and people like me the ability to use something like the outstanding Canon 400mm f/5.6L with a 1.4TC at the racetrack without taping pins and taking chances on accurate autofocus.




  
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May 16, 2012 17:50 |  #21

The 7D could use a 5DIII type of upgrade. 61pt af, keep it at 18MP and improve the noise, give it another stop or two of high ISO, dual card slots, and if Canon feel generous bump it to 10fps. I'd definitely add one to my kit.

I think the 7D SHOULD be a baby 1DX, there are a lot of crop body shooters that have no desire to move to FF for financial reasons or because they like the extra reach of APS-C resulting in cheaper lenses. Most of the high school sports photogs and alot of weekend warriors I know shoot with a 7D because it performs well and they can't justify the cost of a 1 series. Canon could sell a ton of these.


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May 16, 2012 19:37 |  #22

Virto wrote in post #14436435 (external link)
If it crams in the ISO performance of the 5D3 along with the AF, it's easily worth 2 grand.

It says APC-C, so it's 1.6 crop. I think the XXD line might continue down the path forged by the 60D, leaving the 7DX, 5DX and 1DX series cameras as the only magnesium-bodied units. Makes sense for Canon, better margins that way.

5d3 ISO and APS-C isnt going to happen. It cant happen, not with todays sensor technology, and canon have shown they have nothing revolutionary in the cupboard.

I agree aps-h is dead though.


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May 17, 2012 05:33 |  #23

RobDickinson wrote in post #14442741 (external link)
5d3 ISO and APS-C isnt going to happen. It cant happen, not with todays sensor technology, and canon have shown they have nothing revolutionary in the cupboard.

I agree aps-h is dead though.

I point you to the D800 (it's close enough to 18mp in a 1.6 crop). Todays sensor tech is there. Or do you just mean Canons' sensor tech?

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May 17, 2012 10:25 |  #24

EtherealZee wrote in post #14444619 (external link)
I point you to the D800 (it's close enough to 18mp in a 1.6 crop). Todays sensor tech is there. Or do you just mean Canons' sensor tech?

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No, the sensor tech is not there. All Nikon did (and by using Sony's sensor) is simply take the D7000's sensor and expand it out to FF. Now under good lighting, you're shooting at low ISO anyway, you can get away with high pixel-density. Take that same pixel-density and subject it to low-light, and the noise really start to show up.

For the record, while I believe the D7000's APS-C sensor is the best APS-C sensor on the market as of the past year or two, it still wasn't that clean when shooting in low-light/high-iso. And what makes it superior is because you can recover quite a bit of detail in the shadows without ugly banding noise creeping up when you start pushing the files a little.


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May 17, 2012 15:07 |  #25

EtherealZee wrote in post #14444619 (external link)
I point you to the D800 (it's close enough to 18mp in a 1.6 crop). Todays sensor tech is there. Or do you just mean Canons' sensor tech?

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D800 isnt any better than the 5d3 at high iso.

And the d800/5d3 are so good because they have 2.5 times the area of an aps-c sensor.

To get the same results with an aps-c sensor you have to be 2.5 times mote efficient, and current cmos bayer sensors are over 50% efficient already. There just isnt the gains left in this tech.


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May 19, 2012 01:40 |  #26

well Nikon are about to release a d600. a entry level FF. about time


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May 19, 2012 05:38 |  #27

RobDickinson wrote in post #14446896 (external link)
D800 isnt any better than the 5d3 at high iso.

And the d800/5d3 are so good because they have 2.5 times the area of an aps-c sensor.

To get the same results with an aps-c sensor you have to be 2.5 times mote efficient, and current cmos bayer sensors are over 50% efficient already. There just isnt the gains left in this tech.

The D800 may not be better than a 5D3 at high ISO, but it is close. If you consider the pixel density, an aps-c sensor made with the same pixel density as a D800 would be 15mp (and is close enough to an 18mp sensor in a 1.6 crop), hence, why I said that the tech is there - make a cropped D800 sensor, and you'd have a 15MP sensor that stacks up in high ISO to a 5DIII. But Canon tech, it seems, is not there yet. Anyway, that was what I was getting at, I may be wrong in the high ISO capability of the D800 though, as the below quote suggests...

jwcdds wrote in post #14445598 (external link)
No, the sensor tech is not there. All Nikon did (and by using Sony's sensor) is simply take the D7000's sensor and expand it out to FF. Now under good lighting, you're shooting at low ISO anyway, you can get away with high pixel-density. Take that same pixel-density and subject it to low-light, and the noise really start to show up.

For the record, while I believe the D7000's APS-C sensor is the best APS-C sensor on the market as of the past year or two, it still wasn't that clean when shooting in low-light/high-iso. And what makes it superior is because you can recover quite a bit of detail in the shadows without ugly banding noise creeping up when you start pushing the files a little.



Fair enough, I was under the impression that the D800 sensor was supposedly not all that far short of the 5DIII, I haven't shot either, so relying purely on reviews and random interwebz camera user opinions.

Not too concerned, I'm sill broke and stuck with my 400D for the next 3 or 4 months at least anyway. I'm willing to wait, and will just keep shooting the 400D until I'm back on top of the money things again.

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May 19, 2012 08:17 |  #28

delhi wrote in post #14436931 (external link)
Why are people so attached to the APS-H format? Sure it was a good sensor size. It's neither here nor there. But with the new tech in APS-C sensors, there really isn't much gain with the H format.

I don't know but I would like a larger size sensor in the 7D, 1.3 or 1:1 -
call it the 7Ds




  
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May 19, 2012 08:49 |  #29

watt100 wrote in post #14454497 (external link)
I don't know but I would like a larger size sensor in the 7D, 1.3 or 1:1 -
call it the 7Ds

or the 7DL ;)




  
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May 19, 2012 14:47 |  #30

EtherealZee wrote in post #14454181 (external link)
make a cropped D800 sensor, and you'd have a 15MP sensor that stacks up in high ISO to a 5DIII.
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No you wouldnt. Both d800 and 5d3 sensors have better high iso purely because they have 2.5 times the surface area of a crop sensor.

Cropping the D800 sensor gets you a d7000 sensor, which is very close to the 7d at high iso ( a touch better is all).


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