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May 19, 2012 23:56 |  #31

RobDickinson wrote in post #14455758 (external link)
No you wouldnt. Both d800 and 5d3 sensors have better high iso purely because they have 2.5 times the surface area of a crop sensor.

Cropping the D800 sensor gets you a d7000 sensor, which is very close to the 7d at high iso ( a touch better is all).

I'm very aware of the size difference. But...

I would be willing to bet money on it not being so simple. It would have a lot more to do with the size of the photo receptors (pretty sure that is the right term), and the tech. Both the original 5D and the D700 have 12MP sensors, right?

From actual files, I have compared with friends cameras, the D700 kills the 5D in high ISO. But the sensor size is the same, as is the mega pixel count. According to your argument, both should have the same high ISO performance.

So tech makes a difference.

The sensor size just means you can have a high megapixel count, with larger light sensing receptors. Larger receptor would, as far as I can see, result in better low light performance. Then there is the tech - and I'm pretty sure the D800 is newer tech than a D7000, but I'm not altogether sure on that one.

By your reasoning, all FF sensors would have identical high ISO performance.

Now, I have yet to see a crop sensor, made with the SAME pixel density and the SAME tech as a FF sensor, but I'd be willing to bet that if they did, the high ISO performance would be near enough identical. OF course, you'd have less megapickles on your crop sensor, along with all the pros or cons of a crop - except, it would actually be a crop, in every sense of the word, not just field of view and sensor size description.

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May 21, 2012 00:16 |  #32

EtherealZee wrote in post #14457554 (external link)
Now, I have yet to see a crop sensor, made with the SAME pixel density and the SAME tech as a FF sensor, but I'd be willing to bet that if they did, the high ISO performance would be near enough identical. OF course, you'd have less megapickles on your crop sensor, along with all the pros or cons of a crop - except, it would actually be a crop, in every sense of the word, not just field of view and sensor size description.

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But... the D800 and D7000 have the same pixel density. And at 100% pixel-peeping, they are just about identical. There might be differences in how software tweaks the output file... but the sensors are both made by Sony, the EXMOR something. And they share the same pixel density.

Or perhaps you meant that *you* personally haven't played with D7000 and D800 files?


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May 21, 2012 01:35 |  #33

DennisW1 wrote in post #14434518 (external link)
More empty speculation to capture the attention of those more interested in gear than in actually taking photographs with what they already own

Yawn!!!

Since rumors are in their own forum, its not like you accidentally clicked into a rumor thread in the cameras forum. That makes it obvious you read and posted in this thread with the express purpose of being an annoying troll :rolleyes:

Instead of looking for threads to troll in, why dont YOU follow your own annoying advice?


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May 21, 2012 12:29 |  #34

thedge wrote in post #14461870 (external link)
Since rumors are in their own forum, its not like you accidentally clicked into a rumor thread in the cameras forum. That makes it obvious you read and posted in this thread with the express purpose of being an annoying troll :rolleyes:

Instead of looking for threads to troll in, why dont YOU follow your own annoying advice?

Lol YHEA! GET OUT OF HERE! /throws stones

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May 21, 2012 20:07 |  #35

thedge wrote in post #14461870 (external link)
Since rumors are in their own forum, its not like you accidentally clicked into a rumor thread in the cameras forum.

anyone can speculate and start rumors !




  
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May 22, 2012 03:19 |  #36

jwcdds wrote in post #14461669 (external link)
But... the D800 and D7000 have the same pixel density. And at 100% pixel-peeping, they are just about identical. There might be differences in how software tweaks the output file... but the sensors are both made by Sony, the EXMOR something. And they share the same pixel density.

Or perhaps you meant that *you* personally haven't played with D7000 and D800 files?

Yes, I have not... And I wasn't aware whether they were or were not the "same" sensor but one a crop, one FF ( as in same tech, same pixel density, not the exact same sensor, so to speak). I had assumed that the D800 my have benefited from an extra year or so of development.

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May 22, 2012 09:32 |  #37

EtherealZee wrote in post #14467267 (external link)
Yes, I have not... And I wasn't aware whether they were or were not the "same" sensor but one a crop, one FF ( as in same tech, same pixel density, not the exact same sensor, so to speak). I had assumed that the D800 my have benefited from an extra year or so of development.

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Yeah.. unfortunately, the 1 year of development hasn't done much in the hardware department. However, it's superior to Canon's current sensor offering if/when you need more DR at low-iso and need to push shadows.


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May 26, 2012 13:36 |  #38

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I don't know but I would like a larger size sensor in the 7D

So buy a 1D MkIV?


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May 26, 2012 13:52 |  #39

hollis_f wrote in post #14488085 (external link)
So buy a 1D MkIV?

or a 5d3?


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May 26, 2012 21:05 |  #40

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Yeah.. unfortunately, the 1 year of development hasn't done much in the hardware department. However, it's superior to Canon's current sensor offering if/when you need more DR at low-iso and need to push shadows.

And thus, I am now a little more edumacated....

Canon will get there. Not all that long ago, Canon had the edge in sensor tech.

hollis_f wrote in post #14488085 (external link)
So buy a 1D MkIV?

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14488137 (external link)
or a 5d3?

I suspect there was something missing from the quote you two are replying to. Something along the lines of "For less than a 5DIII/1DIV."

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May 29, 2012 15:26 |  #41

I have only ONE request for the new 7d mII, Full time auto focus for video. Other than that I LOVE my 7D.


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May 29, 2012 20:16 |  #42

Canon have shown they have nothing new in sensor tech otherwise the 1dx and 5d3 would have it.

I'm guessing sony and nikon have their stuff very well tied down with patents.


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May 30, 2012 17:40 |  #43

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The 1DX is just taking extraordinarily long to hit the shelves for the mere mortal photographers.

They are giving us a chance to save up our money :lol:


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Jun 10, 2012 09:32 |  #44

This may not be a 7D ii but this is a firm ware update for the 7D that drastically changes and improves the cameras functions

Canon EOS 7D firmware update features

Coming soon

Canon has announced an upcoming firmware update, 7D Firmware Version 2, for the 18 Megapixel EOS 7D that includes a raft of new features to further enhance the capabilities of Canon’s flagship APS-C format DSLR.

The new EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 update will enhance the camera with the following additional features:

IMPROVED RAW MAXIMUM BURST

In the EOS 7D the maximum burst of RAW file frames was 15 – with the firmware update this will be significantly increased so that the camera’s buffer will handle up to 26 RAW frames in a continuous burst.

IN-CAMERA RAW CONVERSION

The EOS 7D will allow for in-camera post-processing of images. RAW images can be edited in-camera and options can be changed before saving the finished file as a ready-to-print JPEG or for sending wirelessly. This function can be used with full resolution RAW files, but not with M-RAW or S-RAW files.

The settings for in-camera RAW processing include White balance, Picture Style, High ISO speed noise reduction, Colour Space, and lens data corrections (Peripheral Illumination Correction, distortion correction and Chromatic Aberration Correction).

IMAGE RATING CAPABILITIES

Like other Canon EOS DSLRs, such as the EOS 60D, EOS-1D X and EOS 5D Mark III, the EOS 7D will be able to rate images from 1 to 5 stars in-camera for quicker and easier sorting of images within your workflow. The ratings can be used to sort images in applications such as Adobe Elements, Adobe Bridge and Apple Aperture. The ratings are XMP compliant and Canon’s Digital Photo Professional software has been updated to reflect this.

AUTO ISO MAXIMUM SETTING

Within the EOS 7D’s shooting menu photographers will have the ability to set a maximum ISO speed for ISO Auto, within the ISO range of 400-6400, so that you can minimise the amount of noise in your images.

MANUAL ADJUSTMENT FOR AUDIO RECORDING LEVELS

During EOS Movie shooting you will be able to manually adjust the audio recording levels to one of 64 levels, whilst the sound volume during playback can be set to one of 11 levels. During movie recording noise from the aperture is reduced and the camera also has an automatic wind cut filter.


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Jun 30, 2012 15:20 |  #45

I know I cant wait for the firmware update, its going to be like a new Camera. :P


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