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May 21, 2012 05:51 |  #1

Hi peeps

I did a wedding shoot back in April, im just about to hand over the final 200 prints the Bride and Groom (B&G) ordered plus a DVD of the same 200 prints with background music

Now, ive just had an inbox from the bride saying a local wedding magazine want to run an article on the wedding and they require high res copies of the day

Do i supply those high res copies or the B&G scan some of there prints to send them

Should i ask for extra money from the B&G or the magazine, or should i not expect any money out of this

Who holds the copyright of the 200 prints, if they do send them scanned prints do i have a say or can the B&G do what they feel with them

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ps: sorry for the spelling mistake in the title :/


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May 21, 2012 05:57 |  #2

What did your contract state?


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May 21, 2012 06:03 |  #3

I retain all copyright of the original images i took of the day

I think i made a school boy error not stating what she could or couldn't do with the 200 prints i present them with. Im not even sure i can tell them what they can do with the prints once they have them in their possession. They did pay for them after all.

But i did state i own the copyright of the original images

Can they just send the magazine copies, to be fair she has contacted me straight away so im sure she wants me to send to the magazine direct, which would lead to my next question, How much do i charge per image (UK)

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May 21, 2012 06:05 |  #4

ps: sorry it didnt even occur to me that a magazine would want to use my images of the day so again another error when i drew up the contract

I just assumed id print off 200 photographs plus DVD and that would be the end of the job

I have alot to learn :(


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May 21, 2012 07:03 |  #5

You could play hard-ball and ask for payment. If payment is not going to happen easily I'd be looking at other ways to make it work for you. I'd be making sure they credit you for the photos and ask for a free add in their magazine. Also something to brag about on your website.


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May 21, 2012 09:20 |  #6

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You could play hard-ball and ask for payment. If payment is not going to happen easily I'd be looking at other ways to make it work for you. I'd be making sure they credit you for the photos and ask for a free add in their magazine. Also something to brag about on your website.


I would. My contracts state for personal use and no commercial use when i give a disc of files. The magazine gas some buck. Add it to you bottom line on her wedding.


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May 21, 2012 09:27 |  #7

I wold not hold out too much for payment from a magazine. Unless you are on staff, your not going to get much. At least on the fashion side, getting published is considered free advertising. Nobody tries to get published for the money, they do it for the exposure. And the higher up the magazine chain you go, the less you get paid.

I would send them in and require proper credit. Including a mention in the text of the article.


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May 21, 2012 10:11 |  #8

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I wold not hold out too much for payment from a magazine. Unless you are on staff, your not going to get much. At least on the fashion side, getting published is considered free advertising. Nobody tries to get published for the money, they do it for the exposure. And the higher up the magazine chain you go, the less you get paid.

I would send them in and require proper credit. Including a mention in the text of the article.

I disagree and this is exactly why they dont pay. Too many photographers consider this free advertisement, get my name out there. magazines do this because newer photographers let them do it to them. Stand your ground. Get paid something. Too many are giving it away. Its destroying the industry. Wrong approach IMHO

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May 21, 2012 10:29 |  #9

You are about 70 years to late. This is industry standard. Even Annie L. or Melissa Rodwell don't get paid for their spreads. Wedding magazines may be different. But in the fashion world This is how it is.

As per your well worn video. With fashion magazines... Its not the "amateurs" that will take your place. It is other top pros.


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May 21, 2012 10:42 |  #10

Yes, it sucks for photographers now--but it's the trend in most industries that want exposure in magazines. Most vendors PAY exorbitant amounts to be featured in a magazine. This is a free opportunity, good to brag about to brides/on your website, and keeps your name cycling the local wedding boards.

I don't think this is going to change. And it's not just new photographers agreeing to this, Jasmine Star was asked virtually this same question in an editorial photography workshop a few weeks ago, and she point blank said dont expect any money.




  
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May 21, 2012 11:24 as a reply to  @ mirrorrim's post |  #11

I'm not 70 years too late. I know whats going on. You missed my point.

If photographers stopped this BS practice and treated their business as a business this would stop. The magazines do this because they can. If all the big names said,,,screw you,,pay me. This would stop. As long as everyone feels its acceptable to give it away for free....the trend will continue and our photography continues to be viewed as "anyone can do it so why pay for it mentality".

Time is money. I dont work for free. Period. This is no different than having a magazine like the Knot tell brides how to demand lower prices from photographers that everyone is all excited about. its the same mentaility. The skill set is viewed as marginal at best because people are giving it away for free.

Stand your ground and don't buy into the mentality. Why let a corporate magazine continue to take advantage of photographers by increasing their bottom line and the expense of a photographers bottom line.

Its such a common practice that the mentality of getting the name out there has backfired on the ones that are doing it. Do you honestly think that some bride is going to remember your 2 sentence of fame line in a story ? They wont let you watermark the images or put you logo on them. Its simply backfiring on those that think its getting their name out there. Everyone has become a dime a dozen. Why ? because everyone buys into it. So, Unless this featured article is about the photographer, the magazine should pay for the files is my opinion.


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May 21, 2012 16:56 |  #12

Thanks for everyones input

Im just waiting on an initial email from the magazine to see what they require first then see where it goes from there (maybe they will offer some form of payment)

Either way its been interesting reading your replies

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May 21, 2012 17:02 as a reply to  @ LBP1970's post |  #13

A UK wedding magazine won't pay for images - they fill their pages as cheaply as possible, so if you ask for payment they'll go look for another wedding to feature.

When we shot weddings (2006-2011), we had a bridal mag feature some of our shots - we got a credit against each image, and just used it for bragging rights at the time ...that's about the best you can hope for in the UK.

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May 21, 2012 19:21 |  #14

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I'm not 70 years too late. I know whats going on. You missed my point.

And you missed mine. If we had done what you say back then, there would be no need for it now. As the industry standard would be as it should be. But as it stands now, there is no way to get an entire industry to change. Its simply just not going to happen. So we have to deal with it as it is. Stand your ground all you want. And you will simply get passed over. I am not saying I dont agree with you. But I find it pointless to worry about it.

And it is a shame you dont work for free. You have no idea how many doors it has opened for me. The key that so many miss or cant figure out how to find, is recognizing when the opertunity it offers is bigger then the paycheck will ever be. One example...I shot an in store event for a local shop 2 years ago. I had nothing scheduled so I did it for fun more then anything else. Well now I have an in with the local Paul Mitchel beauty school and get all my hair and make up done for any of my sessions for free. It is usually a team of 2-3 that comes with a supervisor. They are better than any other "pro hair" person I have worked with. The school also owns a 4 story building but only uses 2 of the floors. And I now also have free reign over the 2 empty floors of an AWESOME "grungy" building. They have about 10 shooting lanes. And more room than I could ever fill. I would have never have gotten any of this if I didnt work for "free".


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May 21, 2012 19:43 |  #15

I don't know what the copyright laws are in the UK. My contract, here in the States, says my clients have specific personal printing rights (if they buy the DVD package), but I always maintain image copyright.
As for giving it away for free, you simply have to weigh the costs versus the benefits. I let a wedding venue use some of my images and didn't charge them a thing, just asked for a photo credit. From that one photo I've now gotten 9 bookings at that venue...a very generous return on my 'investment' IMHO.


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