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Considering my first L glass

 
mattkrass
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May 29, 2012 20:34 |  #1

So, for a while I fought the idea of spending a lot of cash on L glass, not because I didn't think it was worth it, but because I figured I should learn how to use my camera first, so that I wouldn't waste the quality on poor technique.

Well, I think I'm at the precipice of not being a complete and total moron with the camera ;) so I'm starting to do some research.

My usual go-to lens is my 18-135mm, it's got a decent f/3.5 when wide open, and it's got IS, which is nice. I'm pretty happy overall with the sharpness, especially stopped down and above 24mm, but it's not the best glass in the world obviously.

My other kit is the T2i body, the 75-300mm f/4-5.6 (non-IS, non-USM), and a Nifty 50mm.

So, I figured I can sell the 18-135mm (it's in 'like new' condition, I have the instructions, but I bought it white box, so I'm not sure how much I could get for it, I'm hoping $250 to $300, especially if I toss in the hood and UV filter) and get either the:

a) Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L, Mk. I, for $1600. This lens has great reviews for being sharp, it's fast at 2.8, it doesn't have IS, but the fast aperture hopefully makes up for that. I don't think losing the 70-135mm range is much trouble, since the 75-300 covers that about as well (to be honest, I'm not thrilled with the performance of either lens in that range, but I tend to shoot pretty nearby and wide)

b) Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8, for $825. This lens also has good reviews, not quite as good as the Canon, but my coworker swears by it. He claims it is similarly high optical quality, not quite as much build quality. Same comments about the focal range as option A. I'm a little iffy about buying non-Canon lenses, and it seems too good to be true for it to be comparable to a lens that is nearly twice the cost. Again, this one is not stabilized, but fast aperture hopefully compensates.

c) Canon 24-105mm f/4L, for $925. This lens has good reviews, not quite as good as the Canon 24-70mm, but good. It is not as fast at f/4, but it has IS, which may be more valuable to me, since I tend to do a lot of my shooting in bright sunlight, or on a tripod with a timer. The extra reach is more convenient, as is the price admittedly.

I'm torn between those three, so help me out, give me some advice? Please ask any other questions that might help my decision!

Thanks,
Matt


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May 29, 2012 20:42 |  #2

Of those 3, i would get the 24-105. IS is nice for a walkaround, and with max Av of f/4.

If you can afford it, probably the best setup would be an EF-S 17-55IS and an EF 70-200 f/4L(non-IS). The 75-300 is widely considered bottom-of-the-barrel, so the L series 70-200 would be a huge step up in that range... even with a 1.4x teleconvertor for 280mm f/5.6.

edit: Those 2 lenses together with your fast prime, should keep you very happy, and maybe if you develop the interest down the road.. a macro or ultra-wide angle lens.


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May 29, 2012 20:52 |  #3

The one thing you left out was what you like to shoot, because that will have a bearing on what advice people will give, ie. do you like portraits, landscape or are you after a general purpose walkaround.


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May 29, 2012 21:07 |  #4

1Tanker wrote in post #14503098 (external link)
Of those 3, i would get the 24-105. IS is nice for a walkaround, and with max Av of f/4.

If you can afford it, probably the best setup would be an EF-S 17-55IS and an EF 70-200 f/4L(non-IS). The 75-300 is widely considered bottom-of-the-barrel, so the L series 70-200 would be a huge step up in that range... even with a 1.4x teleconvertor for 280mm f/5.6.

edit: Those 2 lenses together with your fast prime, should keep you very happy, and maybe if you develop the interest down the road.. a macro or ultra-wide angle lens.

I considered that option, but I rented the 17-55mm last year, and I just didn't like it, I don't know why, it just felt... uncomfortable and I didn't particularly like the photos it shot. Maybe I just had a bad experience?

L.J.G. wrote in post #14503146 (external link)
The one thing you left out was what you like to shoot, because that will have a bearing on what advice people will give, ie. do you like portraits, landscape or are you after a general purpose walkaround.

I like landscape, plane-spotting (which is easier admittedly with a longer lens), general purpose walk around. I tend to be shooting in tight to nearby quarters, frankly until recently my 75-300mm stayed in my bag since I bought it, and the only reason I broke it out was because I was frustrated at not using it. So while I considered the 70-200L, I just don't think it would get me enough use to justify the cost.

Though I am quite painfully aware that the 75-300 is bottom of the barrel ;)

Thanks,
Matt


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May 29, 2012 21:11 |  #5

if youre willing to shell out $1600 (for the 24-70), i would get the 24-105L & an ultra wide angle lens if youre shooting landscapes and tight quarters


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May 29, 2012 21:25 |  #6

My 24-105L is my most used lens. It's great for videos too because of the IS.


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May 29, 2012 22:02 |  #7

/M3Matt wrote in post #14503246 (external link)
=///M3Matt;14503246]if youre willing to shell out $1600 (for the 24-70), i would get the 24-105L & an ultra wide angle lens if youre shooting landscapes and tight quarters

Ultra wide angle, interesting.... can you make some suggestions?

One of the benefits of the 24-105mm is the lower cost though, so I will likely be buying just that lens if I go that route, but I am open to ideas!

It seems the general consensus is to get the 24-105L, does anyone have any thoughts on either of 24-70s?

Thanks,
Matt


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May 29, 2012 22:09 |  #8

OK, in your situation I would agree with M3Matt, go the 24-105 if you do not need the wider aperture. Admittedly I have a FF, but it is my most used lens by far and it delivers terrific IQ for general purpose photography. It has a very handy range. If you do close quarters stuff you may be able to put the money you save over the 24-70 towards a good UWA. Then you have both ends covered.


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May 29, 2012 22:30 |  #9

can you borrow your co-workers 24-70? see if you like it.




  
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May 29, 2012 22:35 |  #10

I think 24-105 is good for you unless if you like bokeh and more speed, get canon 24-70


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May 29, 2012 22:36 |  #11

mattkrass wrote in post #14503524 (external link)
Ultra wide angle, interesting.... can you make some suggestions?

One of the benefits of the 24-105mm is the lower cost though, so I will likely be buying just that lens if I go that route, but I am open to ideas!

It seems the general consensus is to get the 24-105L, does anyone have any thoughts on either of 24-70s?

Thanks,
Matt


canon 10-22, sigma 10-20, tokina

i had a sigma 10-20 when i was using a crop camera. it was a great compliment to my 24-105


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May 30, 2012 05:21 as a reply to  @ ///M3Matt's post |  #12

I have a the EF-S 17-55 and sometimes wish I had gotten the 24-105L for the added focal range


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May 30, 2012 08:09 as a reply to  @ White.Lightning's post |  #13

My coworkers agreed to let me try out the 24-70mm from Sigma, but I'm not going to have much time with it, so that's only going to be a quick first impression.

While I would like the extra speed, bokeh is not much of a thing for me (for now), though I wonder if I'm over-dependent on the idea of a 2.8 lens?

Seems like a strong consensus for the 24-105mm, now to decide if I'm definitely going to sell my 18-135mm to help pay for it.

Thanks,
Matt


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May 30, 2012 08:39 |  #14

You can buy the 24-105L brand new from Adorama for $830 right now, and you can find used but mint copies for $750 or so if you look around enough. I just picked up a 6 month old copy with all the original packaging for $750 from a member on here for my 60D.

I wanted the extra range that the 24-105 offered and the IS will be handy. The fact that you can find it for half the price of the 24-70 makes it an easier sell too.


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May 30, 2012 17:59 |  #15

Ouhei wrote in post #14505311 (external link)
You can buy the 24-105L brand new from Adorama for $830 right now, and you can find used but mint copies for $750 or so if you look around enough. I just picked up a 6 month old copy with all the original packaging for $750 from a member on here for my 60D.

I wanted the extra range that the 24-105 offered and the IS will be handy. The fact that you can find it for half the price of the 24-70 makes it an easier sell too.

I was actually looking at getting it from Amazon.com here: http://www.amazon.com …TF8&qid=1338418​619&sr=8-1 (external link)

I was not able to find it for that price at Adorama, do you have a link?

I tend to buy from Amazon.com even if the price is a bit higher, I've had very good reliable experiences there.

I think I'm settled on the 24-105mm now, unless someone has a compelling argument for the other lenses!

Thanks,
Matt


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