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Jun 02, 2012 17:26 |  #31

Razeus wrote in post #14460730 (external link)
Because I do serious photography. I leave the crops to the soccer moms of the world.

No need to be arrogant…

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Jun 02, 2012 17:45 |  #32

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I shoot with two 7Ds.

Mostly classical concerts, opera and the PR/ad stuff for the musicians, artists therein.

Why 7D cropper and not FF-anything?

Because I have two cameras for less than the price of one 5DMkIII; the 7D sensor, if used with knowledge is excellent; and NOT ONE of my customers knows a 7D, from a 5DMkIII from a Nikon D700 from a bucket of cement....so all that lovely profit goes in my pocket, and not into Canon's enormous coffers!

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Luckily for us consumers the 5d3 made the 5d2 very similar to the 7d in price(only a few hundred more).

So if you need the fast focus or the extra perceived reach, the 7d is still your best bet. But you could have just as easily gone full frame.

Personally I'm about to upgrade to full frame by going for one of those neat used 5d2s. I don't need the newest gadget just because it has faster focusing and a few new do-dads.




  
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Jun 02, 2012 18:53 |  #33

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Amateur/advanced amateurs - what did you choose and why?

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Simple answer - Price! I don't need a full frame, so paying the premium makes no sense for me. I get what I need from my 60D.


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Jun 02, 2012 20:29 |  #34

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How does one know they would not see a difference if they moved to full frame without ever shooting full frame?

Two main reasons I went with full frame for most of my shooting is:

1. Image quality...and yes I do see a difference between full frame and crop images.

Well, of course you do. That's because you print so large that you'll see any difference at all (including, apparently, differences that can't even be seen on the monitor).

2. Lens selection. Lenses made for full frame, 24L, 24tse, Zeiss 21mm just feel awkward on a crop and there is nothing out there made for crop to replace these.

Yep. Not many people necessarily need those lenses, but if you need them, you need them, and that's that. However, the 17mm tse on crop will get you nearly the angle of view that the 24tse does on full frame. Not sure if it would give you the same amount of tilt/shift control on crop that you get with the 24tse on full frame.

There's no equivalent in crop land to the 17tse on full frame, however, but then, there's no tilt/shift 72mm lens on full frame, either (not that such a lens is missed much! The lack of an equivalent to the 17mm on crop is clearly a much bigger deal than is the lack of a 72mm on full frame).


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Jun 02, 2012 22:53 |  #35

JuliusUpNorth wrote in post #14521838 (external link)
No need to be arrogant…

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Jun 03, 2012 02:27 |  #36

I have both and love them all but lately find myself using my smallest crop camera (the fuji X100) a lot, it seems to be a close match to the 5DII and I often have to check the data if I've used both cameras at the same place.


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Jun 03, 2012 03:32 |  #37

aladyforty wrote in post #14523308 (external link)
I have both and love them all but lately find myself using my smallest crop camera (the fuji X100) a lot, it seems to be a close match to the 5DII and I often have to check the data if I've used both cameras at the same place.

funny you say that because recently I purchased an olympus OM-D micro 4/3 camera and the IQ is as good as a Canon prosumer dslr in many respects (rebels/60d/7d) especially in the high ISO department. I wish I was saying this to justify my purchase but in all honesty the 16MP files I'm getting are truly hard to believe its from a small m43 sensor.

I get reliable high quality files from my full frames. I can totally see some users buying crop bodies for extra reach and compromise image quality a tad vs. full frame.


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Jun 03, 2012 06:33 |  #38

AlanU wrote in post #14523421 (external link)
funny you say that because recently I purchased an olympus OM-D micro 4/3 camera and the IQ is as good as a Canon prosumer dslr in many respects (rebels/60d/7d) especially in the high ISO department. I wish I was saying this to justify my purchase but in all honesty the 16MP files I'm getting are truly hard to believe its from a small m43 sensor.

I get reliable high quality files from my full frames. I can totally see some users buying crop bodies for extra reach and compromise image quality a tad vs. full frame.

The new compact systems and even super-zooms are getting better all the time. A friend just got a new Panasonic FZ150 (I think that's what it is anyway) and she mixed the files up with her 60D files and I cant pick which is which. Nothing will replace my 5DII (apart from the next model up) for weddings but I have a 7D and 50D in the house that pretty much do a great job, I've used 7D 50D and 5DII all on the one wedding and can edit the files to be so similar no one can pick it without real close scrutiny. Love my X100, but sometimes the fixed focal length is frustrating


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Jun 03, 2012 06:43 |  #39

Initially crop body due to much lower entry point for bodies and lenses. The only technical advantage of a crop body is longer reach due to narrower field of view.

So if budget is a deciding factor, as it is for most when starting, go with a nice crop body and try not to invest in many EF-S lenses. Then over time move to a higher quality set of lenses (which work on crop bodies) and finally move to a FF body.




  
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Jun 03, 2012 07:40 |  #40

I had a 5D2 and a 7D but sold them to get a 5D3. Now I have a camera that is better than the best bits of the 2 combined. The only disadvantage is the 'crop reach' and I've got that covered with a 60D and long lenses for the 5D3.


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Jun 03, 2012 09:40 |  #41

Q-Man wrote in post #14465240 (external link)
Both have pros and cons. Both are tools. Pick the one that works best for you. I use them both.

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So do I! and for travelling a Crop & FF and 16-35 and 28-300 pretty much covers it all!


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Jun 03, 2012 10:31 |  #42

kcbrown wrote in post #14522321 (external link)
Yep. Not many people necessarily need those lenses, but if you need them, you need them, and that's that. However, the 17mm tse on crop will get you nearly the angle of view that the 24tse does on full frame. Not sure if it would give you the same amount of tilt/shift control on crop that you get with the 24tse on full frame.

I don't believe it will.




  
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Jun 03, 2012 10:43 |  #43

Madweasel wrote in post #14459811 (external link)
Both for the best of both worlds.

EXACTLY!!! Love my FF cameras for many of the reasons mentione in this thread but also love my crop. Thinking back, had I not read and kept wondering what I was missing without FF, it would have not been all that much ... yes, my 5DMKII is truly an amazing camera ... then again, so is my 7D!
I've shot weddings with my 10D with great results (this from the bride & groom and parents) and I've shot a couple weddings with the 5D and got the same comments. I've shot air shows with my 7D and was extremely pleased with the results. Pretty close with the 5DMKII except for crappy weather!
IF /OR ? A crop and better glass if that is what you can afford, FF if you have no worry about the price. There is always a new body, FF or Crop just around the corner and they are always better than the model they replace.


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Jun 03, 2012 11:05 |  #44

We've got full frames for weddings and personal work and a crop camera for backups.


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Jun 03, 2012 11:07 |  #45

Crop because of price and knowledge at the time.
When I upgrade someday...I would like to venture in and try FF


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