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Jun 07, 2012 11:48 |  #31

mikona wrote in post #14545177 (external link)
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But, I am more concerned with buying TOO much light for most of my work. I am hoping I would be able to be able to effectively use the B1600 in my TOO BE small home studio. I would hate for it, even at its lowest setting, to be to powerful to be fully effective.

What are your working distances in your home studio? Perhaps someone can meter a similar scenario for you.




  
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Jun 07, 2012 11:55 |  #32

gonzogolf wrote in post #14545218 (external link)
What are your working distances in your home studio? Perhaps someone can meter a similar scenario for you.

I have two possible areas, but the wife is pushing for the 10ft by 12 ft room in our home.

We could POSSIBLY use our den, that is about 14 x 14, but the wife would rather not.

The big problem is my need to shoot outdoors at times too.

Thanks for any assistance.


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Jun 07, 2012 11:59 |  #33

The 1600 is going to be a lot of light in a room that small, but once again useful outside if you want to combat the sun. If your outside shots are going to be early/late in the day and avoid the worst part of the midday sun you can easily use the 800's. Why not start with 2 800's and then add the 3rd light after you get to play with the setup a bit? I dont know that the discount is worth locking yourself into something you dont want.




  
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Jun 07, 2012 12:06 |  #34

gonzogolf wrote in post #14545274 (external link)
The 1600 is going to be a lot of light in a room that small, but once again useful outside if you want to combat the sun. If your outside shots are going to be early/late in the day and avoid the worst part of the midday sun you can easily use the 800's. Why not start with 2 800's and then add the 3rd light after you get to play with the setup a bit? I dont know that the discount is worth locking yourself into something you dont want.

Perhaps I will go with the 2 800s and a 400 for backlight? If I need more juice later, I could go up to a 1600 later or maybe even an Einstein.


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Jun 07, 2012 12:09 |  #35

mikona wrote in post #14545299 (external link)
Perhaps I will go with the 2 800s and a 400 for backlight? If I need more juice later, I could go up to a 1600 later or maybe even an Einstein.

To me that seems to be putting the cart ahead of the horse again. For the same reason I wouldnt order a 1600, I wouldnt order a 400 either. Evaluate the 800's then start adding.




  
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Jun 07, 2012 12:24 as a reply to  @ mikona's post |  #36

I think I've read the whole thread...I may have missed something but if your original plan was to go with a 1600 and 2 800s and most of your work will be indoor portraiture (I think that's right) then why don't you go with an Einstein, 1 800, and 1 400 putting the money saved towards the Einstein (it's only $150 more than the 1600). Then you get a unit that's flexible indoors and out. The 800/400 should be fine for a hair and background light. Or skip the 800 and buy 2 400. Shouldn't they be enough for most hair/background work? But in buying the Einstein you get a unit that will do your inside work as well as the outside work you're anticipating.

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Jun 07, 2012 12:26 |  #37

mikona wrote in post #14545177 (external link)
Yes,

But, I am more concerned with buying TOO much light for most of my work. I am hoping I would be able to be able to effectively use the B1600 in my TOO BE small home studio. I would hate for it, even at its lowest setting, to be to powerful to be fully effective.

The 1600 is a stop more light so if you're shooting your B800 at 1/2 power the 1600 would theoretically be at 1/4 to match. This does not take into account the modifier and distance of light to subject.

For a 10x12 room it's going to be a lot of light. If you want to shoot at f/2.8 or f/4? Too much light.




  
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Jun 07, 2012 12:37 |  #38

mmb wrote in post #14545390 (external link)
The 1600 is a stop more light so if you're shooting your B800 at 1/2 power the 1600 would theoretically be at 1/4 to match. This does not take into account the modifier and distance of light to subject.

For a 10x12 room it's going to be a lot of light. If you want to shoot at f/2.8 or f/4? Too much light.

My wife will definitely want to shoot with those narrow POVs.

I could almost buy 3 Flashpoint SETS of lights from 600 WS, 320 WS and 160 WS for the price of the Alienbees! UGH.

Perhaps I should just call back PCB and ask. I suppose that would be a good thing to do.

Sorry for all the stupid questions!


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Jun 07, 2012 12:46 as a reply to  @ mikona's post |  #39

I'm sorry, but after all of the above, what specific questions do you now have? I not being flip, just trying to see (with the info given) what your reformulated questions are.

You could buy Flashpoints...I was headed in that direction. Because I have the same needs as you (outdoor team photos, indoor portraits) the combination of flashpoints that I would need led me to one Einstein. I use my 2 YN560's for hair and background and it works out great (especially as I have a cheap stand/booms and it most likely would not support a softbox and a flashpoint as a hairlight). But I see other team photographer using only one AB1600 outdoors for their team shoots...the Einstein should work great for me this year.


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Jun 07, 2012 12:54 |  #40

Allen K wrote in post #14545505 (external link)
I'm sorry, but after all of the above, what specific questions do you now have? I not being flip, just trying to see (with the info given) what your reformulated questions are.

I have a budget of $1500 or a bit more for my studio.

95% of pics will be done inside a 10 x 12 studio.
5% of pics will be done outdoors.

Some pics will also be done in a gymnasium.

Looking for something I can use a battery pack with at some point.

Thanks again


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Jun 07, 2012 13:24 as a reply to  @ mikona's post |  #41

Ebay RF-603 - $30
Amazon -Pro studio 24X24 $59

B&H

Avenger A4041B Baby Combi-Boom Aluminum Stand - 7.0' / 2.0 m $206.89
Impact Two Section Back Light Stand - 3' (90cm) $24.95
(2) Impact Air Cushioned Heavy Duty Light Stand, Black - 13' (4m) (if you need two) $139.90

With shipping the above comes to around $500.


B400-B B400 Black Studio Flash $224.95 ea. 1 $224.95
B800-B B800 Black Studio Flash $279.95 ea. 1 $279.95
E640 Einstein E640 Studio Flash Unit $499.95 ea. 1 $499.95
PCBBAG Einstein/Alienbee Single Light Carrying Bag $12.95 ea. 3 $38.85
PLM64-WFDF PLM Front Diffuser Fabric, 64in White $15.95 ea. 1 $15.95
PLM64U-S 64-inch Parabolic Umbrella Extreme Silver with Buff Speedring $59.95 ea. 1 $59.95

$1119.60
Minus your 15 percent accessory discount of $17.21
Accessory discounts are based on number of lights in cart.
Order Discount: - $17.21
UPS Ground Shipping: ~$48.21
Grand Total: $1150.60

Minus some grid and a 47" octo that you might not need with the PLM, you're at ~$1650
You could eliminate one 13' stand if you get the combo/boom and you're in the $1500's. Your setup with the busy bee package didn't seem to include backdrop items. Personally, if you have a 430, you could start using that for a background or hair light with the Einstein and eliminate the AB400. Just some suggestions.


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Jun 07, 2012 13:34 |  #42

Allen K wrote in post #14545382 (external link)
...money saved towards the Einstein (it's only $150 more than the 1600)....

When you take into consideration the remotes, the cost difference is only $80..... That's well worth the difference in performance, features and color stability.

Einstein + CSXCV = $530
B1600 + CSRB+ = $450




  
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Jun 07, 2012 13:36 as a reply to  @ MrScott's post |  #43

...mainly the unequalled ability to use both indoors and out (features)


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Jun 17, 2012 01:19 |  #44

I think it would be a good decision to start off with two B800s. Why? Two reasons...

Considering the size of your home studio (10'x12', which you will be shooting in 95% of the time), you will most likely find yourself only utilizing two of the lights (there is a hell of a lot you can do with two lights). Do you have any plans of how you are going to control the light (assuming the walls are white)? The second reason is, for the rare times you shoot outdoor portraits, use the 2 B800s for the first shoot and then determine whether you need a third strobe or not. There's no need to spend money on something if it's going to be sitting around not being used most of the time...just my $0.02


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