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Jun 10, 2012 20:52 |  #1

Evening friends!

I'm an Alien Bees user with a 400 and 800 lights.
Right now i'm in the process of expanding my studio and was wondering if it was worth switching to the dark side photogenic strobes or sticking to this bumblebees!

Is there any advantages into photogenic lights? :rolleyes:

I need 5 or 6 monolights with soft boxes and light stands.


Let me know what you guys think! :oops:


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Jun 10, 2012 20:53 |  #2

I asked the same at twitter.. lets see what others think as well! (external link)


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Jun 11, 2012 13:56 |  #3

Way, way back (1990s) I witnessed a 'shoot out' conducted by a retailer at a trade show in Chicago, comparing a White Lightning 750 vs. a Photogenic 600 (if I remember the model numbers back then). By the model numbers one would conclude that the WL as the more powerful unit. In all aspects of the multiple tests, the Photogenic surpassed the WL.
Unfortunately I have not seen a shoot out using current models from both vendors, so I cannot state anything about the comparative benefit of one over the other.


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Jun 11, 2012 14:00 |  #4

Shamir wrote in post #14560472 (external link)
Evening friends!

I'm an Alien Bees user with a 400 and 800 lights.
Right now i'm in the process of expanding my studio and was wondering if it was worth switching to the dark side photogenic strobes or sticking to this bumblebees!

Is there any advantages into photogenic lights? :rolleyes:

I need 5 or 6 monolights with soft boxes and light stands.

Let me know what you guys think! :oops:

Is there anything that the AB's aren't able to do for you now that the Photogenic lights would?


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Jun 11, 2012 14:11 |  #5

The Powerlight offers

  • digital control of power levels, to 0.1 EV control; AB use •stepless slider which is not easily precisely repeatable.
  • 250w modelling light vs. 150w max modelling light on AB
  • PL1250 1/1300 sec. duration even at max 500 w-s power, vs. 1/600 duration AB1600 (640 w-s) or AB800 1/1100 (320 w-s)

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Jun 11, 2012 14:55 |  #6

If you are setting up a studio I would strongly recommend lights that can be remotely controlled for power, on/off, etc.

With PCB that means Einstein and Cyber Commander, Elinchrom, Profoto also offer similar options.

Einstein has the advantage of IGBT power control.


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Jun 11, 2012 15:14 |  #7

Wilt wrote in post #14563978 (external link)
The Powerlight offers
  • digital control of power levels, to 0.1 EV control; AB use •stepless slider which is not easily precisely repeatable.
  • 250w modelling light vs. 150w max modelling light on AB
  • PL1250 1/1300 sec. duration even at max 500 w-s power, vs. 1/600 duration AB1600 (640 w-s) or AB800 1/1100 (320 w-s)

I understand that the different equipment would indeed have different features/specs. My question was more to ask if there was something specific that the OP was trying to do with the AB's that he couldn't due to performance limitations.

Basically looking at the situation in terms of... if the AB's are meeting the needs, and the idea is to upgrade simply because "there is something better".... Based on the information above, does the OP need 0.1EV control of his lights? Do you need a stronger modeling light or faster flash duration?

Sure, I'd love some pro quality strobes... but as a hobbist I don't yet have a need for them ;)


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Jun 11, 2012 15:16 |  #8

drvnbysound wrote in post #14563927 (external link)
Is there anything that the AB's aren't able to do for you now that the Photogenic lights would?


Light is light.. And I know they are both great brands, however, I feel like I get more options to play with and better build quality with photogenic...

I've never used one in my studio, so I really can't say if it is well worth the money over ABs


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Jun 11, 2012 15:18 |  #9

drvnbysound wrote in post #14564269 (external link)
I understand that the different equipment would indeed have different features/specs. My question was more to ask if there was something specific that the OP was trying to do with the AB's that he couldn't due to performance limitations.

Basically looking at the situation in terms of... if the AB's are meeting the needs, and the idea is to upgrade simply because "there is something better".... Based on the information above, does the OP need 0.1EV control of his lights? Do you need a stronger modeling light or faster flash duration?

Sure, I'd love some pro quality strobes... but as a hobbist I don't yet have a need for them ;)

I will offer counterpoint...

  • If the modelling light is so weak as to not to make a visible difference while setting lights in an environment with bright ambient light (e.g. coming in thru the bay window), you need a stronger modelling light.
  • If you cannot set lights consistently because of a slider, even to within 0.3EV, you need better control.
  • If you are shooting indoor sports with your light at full power and 1/600 isn't quite fast enough, you need a light with faster duration
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Jun 11, 2012 15:38 |  #10

Absolutely... those are the points that I would deliver to my wife :)

I've posted in other threads now regarding the 600EX-RT's and I'd really like to sell my existing speedlites and upgrade, but my consideration is... do I really NEED the built-in RF trigger or the in-camera control? The honest answer is no... I dont need them. I could continue to shoot manually and walk over to my strobes and adjust power manually, just as others have forever. I am not limited by the optical system because I have CyberSync triggers... but would they be WONDERFUL to have? Absolutely! Do I think I'm going to upgrade anyway - probably so ;)

The question here just made me think about a conversation that I watched between Zack Arias and another photographer about buying gear... among other topics, they discussed those who upgrade just because there is something better available, and those who upgrade because they have reached a point where the gear was actually limiting them... I will have to find that video later and post the link.


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Jun 11, 2012 15:55 |  #11

No different than "which is better, a VW Passat or a Porsche 911?...do I need to sell my VW for a Porsche?"

A: Yes I do, if I need brakes that can stop me from 100-0, in 300' rather than 380'


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Jun 11, 2012 16:29 |  #12

Wilt wrote in post #14564452 (external link)
No different than "which is better, a VW Passat or a Porsche 911?...do I need to sell my VW for a Porsche?"

A: Yes I do, if I need brakes that can stop me from 100-0, in 300' rather than 380'

Hah! So it's the brakes that should be the selling point to the wife... I had no idea!

Here is the link to the video that I was thinking of earlier: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=M6jL7T3oTSo (external link)


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Jun 11, 2012 21:23 |  #13

drvnbysound wrote in post #14564617 (external link)
Hah! So it's the brakes that should be the selling point to the wife... I had no idea!

'Saftey' appeals to wives. Ability to stop faster under total control is far better arguing point than the ability to go in a straight line faster or go around corners at break neck speeds!


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Jun 12, 2012 10:23 |  #14

Alien Bees are not limiting me right now, however, I do recognize that I'm moving quite fast in the industry market in my country and I need a solid base to start with! I love Alien Bees.. don't get me wrong, but when it comes to build quality and modifiers, I think they are a bit over rated!


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