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Jun 12, 2012 09:02 as a reply to  @ post 14567610 |  #16

I would love to see some real side by side crop comparisons with the 1d3 vs 7d.

like set the lens up on a tripod and swap bodies side by side then crop til it looks like garbage.
I understand it may require a different exposure.

I have considered dropping my 60d for a 7d but I get pretty good pics and can crop alot if I get a good shot.

EDIT: I just found this comparison. its interesting. I like the color from the 1d3 but....
http://iwishicouldfly.​com …0vs%201D%20Mark​%20III.pdf (external link)



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Jun 12, 2012 09:27 |  #17

jhayesvw wrote in post #14567692 (external link)
I would love to see some real side by side crop comparisons with the 1d3 vs 7d.

like set the lens up on a tripod and swap bodies side by side then crop til it looks like garbage.
I understand it may require a different exposure.

I have considered dropping my 60d for a 7d but I get pretty good pics and can crop alot if I get a good shot.

EDIT: I just found this comparison. its interesting. I like the color from the 1d3 but....
http://iwishicouldfly.​com …0vs%201D%20Mark​%20III.pdf (external link)

There was a guy who did a crop comparison of the 1D3 and the 7D from a birding perspective. Here is his conclusion: http://iwishicouldfly.​com …0vs%201D%20Mark​%20III.pdf (external link)

To be honest there isn't a dramatic difference and likely cannot be discerned in prints (unless printing very large then the 7D might be marginally better).


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Jun 12, 2012 09:39 |  #18

jonneymendoza wrote in post #14567481 (external link)
any proof that 7d is not good if u dont expose properly?

seriously all u need to do is shoot raw and fix exposure on PP

At lower ISOs, it is not necessarily a big issue.

Subject material test:

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-1D4/i-FXzbnFz/0/O/exptestoverall.jpg

Here is the 7D underexposed 2 stops at ISO 200 and brought back up, as compared to the same thing on the 1D4. Keep in mind this is the 1D4, which is better than the 1D3.

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-1D4/i-28gr7VN/0/X2/exptest2002exp-X2.jpg

Now here is the same kind of test, but only 1 stop underexposed at ISO 3200.

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-1D4/i-K2MVH7b/0/X2/exptest32001exp-X2.jpg

Want to see ISO 3200 at 2 stops under on both?

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-1D4/i-2CLrJ5N/0/X2/exptest32002exp-X2.jpg

So the moral of the story is that at lower ISOs, you have a bit of leniency in the 7D/60D/T3i/T3, etc, but as you go higher, the latitude diminishes, probably because Canon has already pulled some tricks to make the higher ISO as good as it is as compared to prior APS-C bodies. At least that is what I took from all of my different tests.

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Jun 12, 2012 10:01 |  #19

jhayesvw wrote in post #14566818 (external link)
I think Fee (cfcrebel?) went from a 7d to a 1d3 and is much happier.
perhaps talk to him.

Yupe. I'm much happier. :D
Two main reasons for my upgade to 1D series: low ISO noise handling, and the AF system.
Some added bonus such as 1D still able to AF when stacking 1.4x TC and lose 1 stop of light. 10FPS is SCHWEEEET for bird photography. Another thing i didn't pay attention until after handling both bodies is, how short the blackout time is on the 1D when shooting burst while panning at the same time. That helps maintain the subject properly in the frame. It's a welcome improvement for me.


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Jun 12, 2012 10:16 |  #20

Hard call between the two. I'd probably give the edge for the 1dmk3 as long as you can fill the frame substantially with the subject. 10MP is where I find the 1dmk3 to lack some versatility since you loose resolution if your cropping alot. In many cases many users do not have enough FL and must crop substantially.


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Jun 12, 2012 18:23 |  #21

I was sorry I sold my MK III to try a 7D, I got better quality images and the MK III is easier to use. The 7D seemed like extra work to get good results and the good did not compare to the MK III. I sold the 7D and got a MK IV but would take a MK III anyday.


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Jun 12, 2012 18:54 as a reply to  @ MikeJohn's post |  #22

again, thanks for all your input.


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Jun 12, 2012 19:38 as a reply to  @ BirdsofBC's post |  #23

jase1125 wrote in post #14567834 (external link)
There was a guy who did a crop comparison of the 1D3 and the 7D from a birding perspective. Here is his conclusion: http://iwishicouldfly.​com …0vs%201D%20Mark​%20III.pdf (external link)

To be honest there isn't a dramatic difference and likely cannot be discerned in prints (unless printing very large then the 7D might be marginally better).

ahhaa. we posted the same link! Great minds think alike.:p



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Jun 12, 2012 19:45 |  #24

There isn't an easy answer to the question. I shoot wildlife and the longest lens that I can afford at this time is the 100-400. Given the fact that I am often focal length limited, the 7d makes the most sense to me. It gives me more "reach" while also providing higher resolution for cropping. All of this equals getting more shots for me.

I have seen enough subjective evidence to be convinced that the 1D Mark III is probably the better camera in IQ as well as AF. For people that aren't often focal length limited, I believe that it is the better camera body (if you do not want video). That being said, the 7d has more wide angle options and can use EF-S lenses. This makes it a better stand alone camera in my opinion. It really just comes down to what you need.


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Jun 12, 2012 21:10 |  #25

jhayesvw wrote in post #14570644 (external link)
ahhaa. we posted the same link! Great minds think alike.:p

interesting tidbit at the end where the Mark IV was mentioned.


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Jun 13, 2012 12:08 |  #26

KayakPhotos wrote in post #14570675 (external link)
....That being said, the 7d has more wide angle options and can use EF-S lenses. This makes it a better stand alone camera in my opinion. It really just comes down to what you need.

I have a 10-22mm for my 7D. I LOVE the lens to death. After upgrading to 1DMkIIII I faced the same UWA issue. But i was able to solve that problem easily by using this effortless method.
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=EmiS7O8oODM (external link)


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Jun 13, 2012 16:47 |  #27

I actually sold my 1D3 to buy a 7D a while back...the 1D3 is a better camera without question....the 7D is the more recent technology and as such has that going for it but for me there was no comparison ....I now have a 1D4 and 5D3....


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Jun 13, 2012 17:41 |  #28

cfcRebel wrote in post #14573674 (external link)
I have a 10-22mm for my 7D. I LOVE the lens to death. After upgrading to 1DMkIIII I faced the same UWA issue. But i was able to solve that problem easily by using this effortless method.
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=EmiS7O8oODM (external link)

thats really cool. I would definitely do the coat hanger and UV filter thing so I didnt accidentally knock the mirror though.
cool.

If I had a bigger lens (500 f4) I would seriously consider a 1d3.
however, the 1.3x400x1.4 = 728mm is really cool but you have an f8 lens at that point
vs a 1.6x400= 560mm.

does the 1d3 have micro adjust?



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Jun 13, 2012 17:57 |  #29

jhayesvw wrote in post #14575181 (external link)
does the 1d3 have micro adjust?

Yes it does.


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Jun 14, 2012 15:37 |  #30

jhayesvw wrote in post #14575181 (external link)
thats really cool. I would definitely do the coat hanger and UV filter thing so I didnt accidentally knock the mirror though.

Yupe, i use something similar (a 1mm thick transparent rubber, 5mm wide and 10cm long), place it against the wall of the barrel in front. It limits me nicely to zoom from 12mm to 22mm. MA is available but for this lens, i don't have to MA at all. :D


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