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Reconsidering technique for shooting.

 
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Jun 17, 2012 19:38 |  #1

I shot a local rugby tournament yesterday. 9 hours on site, LOTS of sun. When I shoot a single rugby game I stand and use a monopod with gripped 40D & 70-200. Yesterday, I brought a chair because I didn't want to stand for 9 hours. I did not sit the whole time. My chair was positioned center back of the goal area.

I noticed as the action got closer that it was hard to maneuver the camera and monopod to get good framing when the action was close to the try zone but at either side line.

I tried taking the camera off the monopod, but that lens gets heavy fast.

Consequently, my keeper rate from 9 hours on site was ABYSMAL. Most of the games I shoot are local and I have full access to all points along the field.

Any suggestions?

Do I suck it up and plan on standing for long events?
Do I bring knee pads and kneel? ( I am 46, this is NOT the best option)
If I use a chair and the monopod use is awkward, should I take camera off monopod?
I do have a second body, should I switch to other body and smaller lens (24-105) for closer action?


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Jun 17, 2012 20:15 |  #2

i feel you pain, my last session was 7 hours standing with a 70-200 and i haven't found a solution that works yet, but id say having the second body certainly wouldn't hurt!


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Jun 17, 2012 22:23 as a reply to  @ Mactosh's post |  #3

When I shoot at an event outdoors, I sorta mix it up, between standing and kneeling. I'm 46 as well, and a runner, but my knees aren't what they used to be. I have a small chair that I use when I work a job for the company I work for shooting running races, and I use it for that, since people are just coming towards me. But when shooting a soccer, football or baseball game, there's too much going on where I can't be that stationary.

Not sure a second body would help, only because when the action gets closer, you'll be moving a lot more BECAUSE the action is so close, so you might be constrained when on the chair.

I'm not too familiar with rugby, but are there time outs, halftime, things like that? If so, use the chair to take a breather when you can. I know when I shoot football and soccer I'm walking/running up and down the sidelines because of moving play.

Hope that all makes some sort of sense, but it's what works for me...


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Jun 18, 2012 04:01 as a reply to  @ kenjancef's post |  #4

Ditch the monopod, there's really no reason you should need one with that combo.




  
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Jun 18, 2012 16:33 |  #5

bboowwyy wrote in post #14594312 (external link)
Ditch the monopod, there's really no reason you should need one with that combo.

+1.

Option 2, get a much longer lens and sit in the bar ...:)


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Jun 18, 2012 18:27 as a reply to  @ Hannya's post |  #6

Ditto




  
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Jun 18, 2012 18:39 |  #7

If you are sitting, get a chair where you can rest your elbows on your thighs/knees. This will force your arms into your sides for proper form. This all creates 4 added points of contact to help distribute the weight.

Monopods are terrible. If I could hand hold my 400 for an hour I would. It just creates too many restrictions on your mobility.


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Jun 18, 2012 20:45 |  #8

My next game I will ditch the monopod and go hand held, or I will take Hannya's advice and sit at the bar.


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Jun 19, 2012 08:29 |  #9

Have you considered exercise? Try getting out and walking a few hours a week with 2lbs weights. You'd be surprised how much it can help.

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Just buy a chair with a swivel. They sell them for hunters to put on top of 5 gallon painters buckets.


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Jun 19, 2012 08:36 |  #10

You get used to it quickly.
My slight lithe wife carries a 7D with 17-55mm , 580exII, battery pack, walkie talkie around allday on a wedding for 10 hours and she does not GET ANY chance to sit down except 10 mins drive from brides parents to church and 1 hour break for the dinner.

It aches the first couple of days working but take ibuprofen to help the body recever and not damgae itself.

My rig is even heavier and I dont notice it now.

Make sure you never carry the rig in one hand for extended periods because that WILL make your wrist ache.


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Jun 20, 2012 00:33 |  #11

Nukehed, not sure of your physical condition but squatting is the best way to "sit". We are all born able to squat. We untrained ourselves over time. Depending on ones physical condition it might not be easy to "just do it", but consider some pt type exercises and rehab exercises for anywhere you are hurting. Most of the people we see at my gym can't squat due to hip flexibility issues among other things.... Mostly due to sitting in a chair and with poor posture too long.

You should be able to squat all the way down with feet forward, back straight and heels on the ground without pain.

After my knee surgery I no longer kneel at all (injured it in sports). I shot a 12 hr sports event a few months ago spent the whole time sitting squatted or Indian style. I sit squatted all the time, even in my computer chair. :/

Do a lot of stretches and yoga also, that will help a lot.

For times you must stand get good shoes! And again a lot
Of postural exercises will help you when standing a lot Also.

Get with a professional on some mobility exercises. You'll feel so much better when you can move however you please and don't feel pain. You'll also get better shots I'm sure!




  
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Jun 20, 2012 16:16 |  #12

I would recommend you get a cheap gun pod. You have it for support as needed, and you can just lift off of it for the close action (let it fall into you).

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Jun 20, 2012 19:36 |  #13

waterrockets wrote in post #14607690 (external link)
I would recommend you get a cheap gun pod. You have it for support as needed, and you can just lift off of it for the close action (let it fall into you).

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That chair looks like the type you'd buy for football/stadium seats. Never thought of using it flat on the ground. That's an awesome idea!


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Jun 20, 2012 21:44 |  #14

Yeah, you can rock back in it and it will offer thigh support and is pretty comfy. Gotta get up every so often though.


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Jun 20, 2012 22:47 |  #15

waterrockets wrote in post #14609116 (external link)
Yeah, you can rock back in it and it will offer thigh support and is pretty comfy. Gotta get up every so often though.

True. When I shoot running races, I normally find myself trying to get comfortable squatting or kneeling in a street to shoot the runners. This chair would be perfect because I hardly move, but kneeling on hard pavement does hurt after a while. And every-so-often I get breaks when there are gaps between runners, usually towards the end of the race.

Going to look into that this weekend.


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