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Jun 25, 2012 17:46 |  #46

About two weeks ago I tested a pre production 1Dx. The camera was a last stage model. i.e. almost ready.

I took a shot of a chap standing in a shadowed area in less than ideal light.

As a 1Ds3 owner and a 5D3 user I can quite confidently say that ISO 12800 is the same in noise as the 1Ds3 is at 1600 and respectively the 5D3 at 3200.

So 2 stops better than the 5D3....I got to keep the raw files and took my 5D3 with me for comparison.

ISO6400 is like the 1DS3's ISO800. So again, a three stop improvement over the 1Ds3. Other people did see the files and agreed with those observations.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:46 |  #47

Mark II wrote in post #14630696 (external link)
The only negative thing I found wrong with it (keep in mind its a pre-production model & things could change) is the focus points not lighting up red in dark environments.

That's an option on the 5D3, so I'm sure the final 1DX will have that.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:47 |  #48

thenextguy wrote in post #14630732 (external link)
That's an option on the 5D3, so I'm sure the final 1DX will have that.

Sure hope so. I see a river of tears already otherwise. :rolleyes:


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Jun 25, 2012 17:47 |  #49

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So 2 stops better than the 5D3....I got to keep the raw files and took my 5D3 with me for comparison.

I'll believe that when I see it.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:48 |  #50

thenextguy wrote in post #14630732 (external link)
That's an option on the 5D3, so I'm sure the final 1DX will have that.

Not in AI Servo I think.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:50 |  #51

thenextguy wrote in post #14630738 (external link)
I'll believe that when I see it.

I was told "one stop" by the Canon rep. .... but he didn't have the final software so I don't know how he knew. Canon may have told him to say that :confused:.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:51 |  #52

bigrob wrote in post #14630746 (external link)
Not in AI Servo I think.

Maybe just single shot. I haven't tried AI Servo.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:53 |  #53

bigrob wrote in post #14630746 (external link)
Not in AI Servo I think.

That is what I was shooting it as. If I had known of an option, I would have searched the menu a bit more for it.


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Jun 25, 2012 17:55 |  #54

thenextguy wrote in post #14630738 (external link)
I'll believe that when I see it.

Believe it.

First thing I did when I picked it up was turn all noise reduction, lighting optimiser and htp off, normalized the picture styles. You name it, turned everything off on all cameras.

I can't stand noise reduction in camera, if I want it I'll do it myself.

It shouldn't be so hard to believe either, fatter pixels, better dynamic range and a new sensor over the 5D3. Dynamic range flexibility is slap bang in the middle too. Being about 2.5 stops either way as opposed to the 5D3 being flexibly mainly in the highlights.


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Jun 25, 2012 18:00 |  #55

Gel wrote in post #14630785 (external link)
Believe it.

First thing I did when I picked it up was turn all noise reduction, lighting optimiser and htp off, normalized the picture styles. You name it, turned everything off on all cameras.

I can't stand noise reduction in camera, if I want it I'll do it myself.

It shouldn't be so hard to believe either, fatter pixels, better dynamic range and a new sensor over the 5D3. Dynamic range flexibility is slap bang in the middle too. Being about 2.5 stops either way as opposed to the 5D3 being flexibly mainly in the highlights.

I too will believe when I see it. The points you make about the larger pixels are true but I have a hard time believing the dynamic range and the ISO performance will be 2 whole stops better, since the 1DX and the 5D3 are essentially identical sensors.

It may be better with JPGs but RAW files, I bet it's no better than a stop better performance that the 5D3. I'd like to be wrong, but I don't think I am.




  
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Jun 25, 2012 18:12 |  #56

Gel wrote in post #14630729 (external link)
As a 1Ds3 owner and a 5D3 user I can quite confidently say that ISO 12800 is the same in noise as the 1Ds3 is at 1600 and respectively the 5D3 at 3200.

If this is true & I have no reason to doubt you, then I'm selling my 5D3 and whatever else I can to buy this baby.

I bought the 5D3 as a complement to my 1D4 as lighter body for parties, walk around etc but if the 1Dx is that good then sod the weight :rolleyes:


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Jun 25, 2012 18:15 |  #57

Apparent Delays = Further Refinement?

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Jun 25, 2012 20:31 |  #58

Some images in the last response here:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=41819874 (external link)




  
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Jun 25, 2012 20:38 |  #59

jffielde wrote in post #14631410 (external link)
Some images in the last response here:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=41819874 (external link)

Not from the released camera.


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Jun 25, 2012 20:43 |  #60

johneric8 wrote in post #14628852 (external link)
I think it's funny how the 5dmk3 owners are trying to dream up scenarios where the 1dx isn't that much better than the 5dmk3. Look, if you're making a very nice living as a pro photographer in which I am it's a very easy choice, a no brainer as a matter of fact. What some people don't understand is that spending an extra 3k on a body that could make you that back at one wedding is an expense you will take on without blinking. And Yes, the 1dx is much better equipped to handle weddings than the 5dmk3. If you are shooting weddings for a living and feel you need tons of MP you certainly have a different style than me.

You're kidding right? As far as I know, the 1Dx and 5D3 share pretty much the same AF system. The difference is that the 1Dx uses color information as part of its AF algorithm correct? So which part of that isn't suited for wedding photography again? The AF system on the 5D3 is more than capable of handling any situation you would encounter at a wedding. That's not defending the 5D3. That's just fact.

Compared to 18.1MP, 21.3MP is "tons of MP"? Certainly not. That's a minuscule difference.

Now if the 1DX had a stop or two over the 5D3 in high ISO performance, I would certainly entertain buying it. It would probably have to lean towards 2 stops to shell out an extra $5k. Believe me. I want that to be the case, although I seriously doubt it. Do I need the build? Nope. Nice to have? Sure. I used to shoot with a 1 series body and I certainly appreciated the build. Do I need the faster fps? Nope. 6fps is good enough for me. Is 10 fps better? Again, sure. But I don't need it.

It seems like the opposite is happening. Those who are considering the 1DX is trying to convince themselves that the 1DX is light years ahead of the 5D3. From all indications, it's is not.

What's $3000 as a wedding photographer? Sure, not a big deal. But hey, if I don't have to spend $3000 for a camera I don't need, then well, the smart thing to do is the keep that money in the bank, no?




  
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