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Help please, I'm torn between the 70-200 f/4 IS and the 2.8 NON-IS :(

 
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Jun 27, 2012 13:48 |  #1
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I shoot a lot of skateboarding, car photos, portaits, and will be doing a lot of soccer this year. I dont really care about the weight. I will be shooting indoors with it also. I'm doing the photos for my highschools newspaper next year. I'm currently leaning towards the 2.8 and investing in a nice little monopod for it. If anyone has had any experience with these two lenses your advice would be very much appreciated!


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Jun 27, 2012 13:54 |  #2

jackkthemackk wrote in post #14640109 (external link)
I shoot a lot of skateboarding, car photos, portaits, and will be doing a lot of soccer this year. I dont really care about the weight. I will be shooting indoors with it also. I'm doing the photos for my highschools newspaper next year. I'm currently leaning towards the 2.8 and investing in a nice little monopod for it. If anyone has had any experience with these two lenses your advice would be very much appreciated!


Go with the 2.8 non IS


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regatta wrote in post #14640128 (external link)
Go with the 2.8 non IS

You seem pretty confident with that answer, lol. Any reason for it?


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Jun 27, 2012 14:08 |  #4
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I know nothing about shooting those subjects, but I would prefer the IS anyway, especially with a longer lens like the 70-200. You don't want to come home and find half your shots are slightly blurry because you didn't get the IS version.


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Jun 27, 2012 14:12 |  #5

I use the 2.8 non-IS and I love it. Upgraded from the f/4 non-IS and really like the extra stop. For what you are saying I would get the 2.8, I always say f-stop over IS.


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Jun 27, 2012 14:13 |  #6

For fast action, you want a fast shutter speed to "freeze" the motion of a skateboarder or soccer player. A larger aperture will give you a faster shutter speed, given the same lighting. IS, on the other hand, is good for still subjects, when you are forced to use a slower shutter speed. (Like a bear who is sitting still at sunset). If you want to shoot action IS won't really help you, 2.8 will.


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Jun 27, 2012 14:15 |  #7

I guess I just imagined skateboarders moving fast and pulling off sick tricks. The IS wouldn't really help with capturing that, but the faster lens would.


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WayneHawn wrote in post #14640203 (external link)
For fast action, you want a fast shutter speed to "freeze" the motion of a skateboarder or soccer player. A larger aperture will give you a faster shutter speed, given the same lighting. IS, on the other hand, is good for still subjects, when you are forced to use a slower shutter speed. (Like a bear who is sitting still at sunset). If you want to shoot action IS won't really help you, 2.8 will.

A lot of the skateboarding photos photos are done with several off camera flashes set up at around a shutter of 1/250(Give or take lighting conditions). A few of the skate photos are indoor, and also at night. Which is why this is such a hard decision :confused:


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Jun 27, 2012 14:34 |  #9

jackkthemackk wrote in post #14640246 (external link)
A lot of the skateboarding photos photos are done with several off camera flashes set up at around a shutter of 1/250(Give or take lighting conditions). A few of the skate photos are indoor, and also at night. Which is why this is such a hard decision :confused:

See what happens when I try to offer advice about something I know NOTHING about? :oops: Good points, and good luck. I can say that I have the f4 IS and it is great for what I use it for, which is neither skateboarding or soccer. I do like the size and weight of the f/4.


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Jun 27, 2012 14:46 |  #10

go for the 200 2.8 prime. It contains fewer elements (about half, based on my memory) than the zoom so although both are 2.8, more light go though prime due to less loss though the elements


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Jun 27, 2012 15:34 |  #11

skycolt wrote in post #14640309 (external link)
go for the 200 2.8 prime. It contains fewer elements (about half, based on my memory) than the zoom so although both are 2.8, more light go though prime due to less loss though the elements

They both f2.8, so how more light.;)

I would go for f2.8 based on what you planning to shoot.


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Jun 27, 2012 15:55 |  #12

Aperture is the width of the light path. so same aperture, same amount of the source light. The light also need to go through all the elements before reaching the sensor. Each element eats some light. So more elements, more light loss. That's why primes gather more light with similar aperture.


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Jun 27, 2012 16:41 |  #13

skycolt wrote in post #14640624 (external link)
Aperture is the width of the light path. so same aperture, same amount of the source light. The light also need to go through all the elements before reaching the sensor. Each element eats some light. So more elements, more light loss. That's why primes gather more light with similar aperture.

So expsoure must be different with primes. Or different number of elements (based on the lens design) should mean different exposure. :D


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Jun 27, 2012 17:56 |  #14

F4 IS is sharper and generally produces better IQ than the non-IS 2.8. That said, since you'll be shooting indoors, you'll need the 2.8. So the F4 IS is out the window.

I agree with the 200 2.8 prime, but you might find the length limiting indoors or at a small skate park. It's a fantastic lens, but you probably need versatility here.


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Jun 27, 2012 19:15 |  #15

bobbyz wrote in post #14640805 (external link)
So expsoure must be different with primes. Or different number of elements (based on the lens design) should mean different exposure. :D

In theory yes, but I didn't have the setup to test yet...


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